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Old 11-11-2024, 07:05 AM   #1341
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If you look at the last 10 teams in the league: MTL, NSH, SJS, PHI, ANA, CBJ, CHI, SEA, DET, PIT. I find it difficult to imagine us out-sucking any of these teams.
They finished bottom ten with a better team for most of the season last year so it’s not that difficult to imagine.
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Old 11-11-2024, 07:12 AM   #1342
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Rumor according to Friedman that Athanasiou will go on waivers today.
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Old 11-11-2024, 07:32 AM   #1343
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The vets will at some lose interest in the season and the Flames will drop like a rock in the standings. Heck, it's still early and they're in a playoff spot but already struggling mightily to get score goals and get wins. I'd predict the TDL will again be a dividing point when we'll start seeing more inconsistencies with the effort.
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The vets will at some lose interest in the season.
From what I’ve heard, this has already started for some.
I’ve got no specific names, but there’s a handful of guys who’ve realized this rebuild isn’t something they’ve come to terms with nor do they want to be apart of long term.

With that said that doesn’t mean Craig’s going to do them a favour and just ship out anyone who doesn’t want to be here, but the room could end up in rough shape if these guys with poor attitudes don’t turn it around or gtfo.

I personally think they need to bring in more youth, I think the team needs to surround the young guys with the few dedicated vets rather than 1-2 young guys rotating on 1-2 lines. Without Backlund and Lomberg the room can be pretty darn quiet.
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Old 11-11-2024, 08:43 AM   #1345
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I could really see Andersson to Winnipeg, and they have some great pieces we could pillage...
That would be a great fit, actually. For some reason I could see him in a Jets uniform, and the kind of player I could see them ponying up for
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From what I’ve heard, this has already started for some.
I’ve got no specific names, but there’s a handful of guys who’ve realized this rebuild isn’t something they’ve come to terms with nor do they want to be apart of long term.

With that said that doesn’t mean Craig’s going to do them a favour and just ship out anyone who doesn’t want to be here, but the room could end up in rough shape if these guys with poor attitudes don’t turn it around or gtfo.

I personally think they need to bring in more youth, I think the team needs to surround the young guys with the few dedicated vets rather than 1-2 young guys rotating on 1-2 lines. Without Backlund and Lomberg the room can be pretty darn quiet.

IMO. Kadri is being a trooper but it's evident he's not entirely sold on the process. Huberdeau looks like he knows he's stuck there noatter what.

Kuzmenkos trying but I think he knows he's a trade chip.

Only player I'm really worried about not buying in long term through this rebuild is Weegar. And to a lesser extent Coleman. If I was building up a team those are the two I want to keep around. Sharangovich was brought in to be a part of the rebuild I think so hopefully he's not one of them.

All in all, Conroy has previously addressed those that didn't want to be here but this time he can't hide behind remaining contract term (i.e pending UFAs).

It's nice to build the culture but you can't let things stagnate into toxicity either. Hopefully he can manage the delicate balance.

Truth is though, the team feeds off the youth. They do need to bring kids up.
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Old 11-11-2024, 09:23 AM   #1348
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Kuzmenko knows he's getting traded and TBH I'm not sure he'd want to be here long term anyways.

Weegar I think is fine because his contract is long enough he could see out the other side of the rebuild. Huberdeau knows his contact is unmovable right now I think.

The three that I think likely have second thoughts are Kadri, Coleman, and Andersson.

Kadri is 34 and has 4.5 years left. He knows this is probably his last NHL contract and I would be he wants to have a chance to win again before his career is over.

Coleman is in a similar position. He's 32 and has 2.5 years left. After this he's probably only getting 1-2 year deals as a UFA, if at all. He probably wants another chance to win.

Andersson is the interesting one because he has the decision to make. If he re-signs he's probably a career Flame and in line to be next captain. But it would mean the next 3-4 years of his career which are his prime years are likely on a rebuilding team.

If there are 3 veterans who might be changing their mind my guess is those are the 3 guys.
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Old 11-11-2024, 09:27 AM   #1349
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Andersson should be a career Flame.
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Old 11-11-2024, 09:30 AM   #1350
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Andersson should be a career Flame.
Playing great, however if I had to guess he won't resign
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Old 11-11-2024, 09:36 AM   #1351
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Could we imagine re-signing Anderson and trading Weegar??

If Weegar is voicing an interest to move on behind the scenes, and Anderson is voicing his desire to stay, maybe the plan will be flipped??

What would Weegar's value be on the market??
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Old 11-11-2024, 09:43 AM   #1352
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From what I’ve heard, this has already started for some.
I’ve got no specific names, but there’s a handful of guys who’ve realized this rebuild isn’t something they’ve come to terms with nor do they want to be apart of long term.

With that said that doesn’t mean Craig’s going to do them a favour and just ship out anyone who doesn’t want to be here, but the room could end up in rough shape if these guys with poor attitudes don’t turn it around or gtfo.

I personally think they need to bring in more youth, I think the team needs to surround the young guys with the few dedicated vets rather than 1-2 young guys rotating on 1-2 lines. Without Backlund and Lomberg the room can be pretty darn quiet.

Well, even though this sucks, it’s a good thing it’s happening sooner than later. Obviously the tear down isn’t complete and the sooner we can get the malcontents out the better
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Old 11-11-2024, 09:50 AM   #1353
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Could we imagine re-signing Anderson and trading Weegar??

If Weegar is voicing an interest to move on behind the scenes, and Anderson is voicing his desire to stay, maybe the plan will be flipped??

What would Weegar's value be on the market??
Pretty sure from intel that’s been given to cp that Anderson wasn’t all that happy about direction of team since the summer. I doubt that has changed.

I did think once the loses piled up some vets would also want out. I didn’t think it would be this quick though. I figured next summer you would hear rumblings. I really thought kadri , Coleman and weager were all in to stay . I couldn’t imagine if weager and Anderson wanted out and got their wish. Mironov on 1st pairing? Lol
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The Habs were really banking on him improving, and you have to wonder what could have been, without the injuries, because his PPG was getting better.


56, 64, 30, and 15 games this year.
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Old 11-11-2024, 09:51 AM   #1355
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Kuzmenko isn’t going anywhere imo.

Why would a team trade for him? Having a power play specialist is fine but he needs to actually be one, and he hasn’t been this year.

Also, you can’t just dress an ineffective 5 on 5 player in the playoffs in the hope of an occasional power play appearance.

Unless his play picks up, he’s going nowhere imo.
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Old 11-11-2024, 09:55 AM   #1356
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This idea that bottom 10 is out of reach is crazy, and premature. Yes, they are currently 13th in winning percentage, but they are 3 points up on 20th, and 4 pts up on 24th overall, with 65 games remaining. They started on a 5-0-1 heater, when everything was going in for them. Since then, they are 2-5-2.

Here are the games, in their last 10, where they have acquired points:

PIT: tied it in the last minute, won in a shootout
NJD: solid win
MTL: late goal to tie, won in OT
BOS: down 3-1, got 2 3rd period goals to earn a point
BUF: down 2-0, came back to tie and get a point

They managed 8 pts in their last 10, by coming back late each time (except NJD). Goaltending was great, or outstanding, in every one of those games.

They could EASILY have only come up with 4 or 5 pts, instead of 8, over those games. And if they had, they would ALREADY be in the bottom 10, despite the 5-0-1 start.

For the record, I am in the try-to-win-every-game camp, and I would never cheer for losses. And I love the compete they have shown so far. But there is plenty of evidence to suggest that they have been punching above their weight class so far, and there is little little reason (other than goaltending) to think they are anything other than a bottom 10 team.

Teams currently below them in the standings, that won't be for long:
TBL, BOS, EDM, COL, STL (that takes them from 13 to 18)

Teams that will very likely pass them by New Year's, or at worst, the Feb break:
BUF, OTT, NYI, DET, SEA, UTA, NSH (any 5 gets them to 23)

Teams that I think eventually finish ahead of them:
PIT, PHI and maybe even CBJ or MTL

My guess is still that they finish in the 24-27 range (6th to 9th from the bottom)
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Could see Andersson to Winnipeg but the return would be the issue. I don’t see Yager as the impact center this team needs, I think his ceiling is 2nd line center (and certainly nothing wrong with that). I think he would have to come with another asset to sweeten that deal imo.

Having said that it is all about what the market is for him that drives the price.
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Old 11-11-2024, 09:57 AM   #1358
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And that doesn't even factor in that the vets are going to have a tough time keeping this up, and remaining interested.
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Old 11-11-2024, 10:02 AM   #1359
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Andersson had a big start. He seemed like a guy hoping to increase his value after a few so so year.

Kuzmenko has been crap and I wonder if he is just waiting for a trade. He is killing his value. I’d get him out asap.

Weegar was one of the first players to say he is here for the rebuild. I can’t see him being sour. Same goes for Kadri. Coleman is a pro and I can’t see him sulking either but you ever know.

The hope of getting some good picks and assets for Mantha and Kuzmenko have fizzled. Unless Kuzmenko can really pick up his play.

Andersson is the best option to get a good return.
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Old 11-11-2024, 10:04 AM   #1360
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WPG manages their franchise much like CAR: they know they don't have the budget, or the location/cache to attract UFAs, so they have to keep their picks, and develop within. Which they have done a very good job of, and it has served them well.

However, at some point, you have to go for it. And you have to think that, with Helly, Connor, Scheifele, Morrisey, Ehlers, and others, all in their primes, and the team being off to an historic start, THIS is the year to push the chips in.

That makes them a perfect trading partner for the Flames, re Andersson.
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