American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Well at least you still have Sean Combs.

But who raped more, the incoming President of the United States or Sean Combs?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Americans made it very clear they're tired or woke culture and overly focusing on those issues. Even most centre/left voices have noted it's time to walk back from those focuses and talk about things like the economy, immigration, & bring men's value/health back into the fold.
Progressive issues still do well in the down ballet, but American's don't want to hear about them all the time.

Suggesting the Democrats lost because they weren't progressive enough is a wild perspective.

At some point, you just need to realize Americans are mostly centre right or right leaning and the American dream of capitalism runs deep in their veins.
They accept some progressive values, but it won't shape their identity.

Such a load of crap.
The only reason these are issues is because Republicans want to strip us of basic human rights. And by that I mean women's rights are human rights. Gay rights are human rights. Trans rights are human rights. Etc. If no one was trying to restrict these human rights what would the issue be?
Unless you don't think that these are human rights?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

But who raped more, the incoming President of the United States or Sean Combs?

Toss up?

[ResAlien]

So we’re clear here:

Democrats ran on a centre right message, did everything in their power to sprint to the right, embraced republicans while going so far as to trot out every single hated 90s and 2000s rat####er they could find to support them, turned off and failed to energize their base in even the slightest manner, and the problem is progressives and that the party was too far left?

All of this is somehow is the fault of the progressive voter and this loss should be laid at their feet. That sound about right?

[sarge]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCCLqEwujGZ/

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

So we’re clear here:

Democrats ran on a centre right message, did everything in their power to sprint to the right, embraced republicans while going so far as to trot out every single hated 90s and 2000s rat####er they could find to support them, turned off and failed to energize their base in even the slightest manner, and the problem is progressives and that the party was too far left?

All of this is somehow is the fault of the progressive voter and this loss should be laid at their feet. That sound about right?

I don't think anyone is saying the loss is the fault of the progressives, what everyone is saying is the US is never going to vote for a progressive candidate and progressive policies are poison in an election (even the ones that poll well)

Harris could have won the thing, she came out of the gate well, made a decent VP pick went ahead in the polls and was fund raising well, at that point if she had some simple popular policies and some kind of personality she would have won, but she has the personality of a hamster and her only real policy was she wasn't Trump and in the last month that killed her

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I don't think anyone is saying the loss is the fault of the progressives, what everyone is saying is the US is never going to vote for a progressive candidate and progressive policies are poison in an election (even the ones that poll well)

This is factually not true, as supported by this election. Missouri, a deep-red state, voted overwhelmingly in favour of a $15 minimum wage and mandated sick days.

There were numerous progressive ballot measures that won in States that Harris lost.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GGG

Doesn’t this assume that an election is about persuading voters to change between candidates as opposed to voting or not voting?

I think a similar exercise of non-voters who lean Dem and non-voters who lean republican would be more illuminating.

You don’t care why republicans voted for Trump or why Dems voted for Harris. You only care about groups who changed votes in 2016/2020/2024 or who voted previously and didn’t vote this time or didn’t vote previously and voted this time. You can’t extract that data from the main blocks of people who will always vote Dem or always vote repub and will always find a reason for doing so.

Exactly, its team sports...I wouldn't vote for the Oilers ever.

I would be questioning why people didn't show up...Trump hit his ceiling, could have beat him easily with turnout and she didn't get it, case closed.

Should have run the Rock I guess, this is what they have become.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I don't think anyone is saying the loss is the fault of the progressives, what everyone is saying is the US is never going to vote for a progressive candidate and progressive policies are poison in an election (even the ones that poll well)

Harris could have won the thing, she came out of the gate well, made a decent VP pick went ahead in the polls and was fund raising well, at that point if she had some simple popular policies and some kind of personality she would have won, but she has the personality of a hamster and her only real policy was she wasn't Trump and in the last month that killed her

It wasn't her personality or her campaign. Dems only hope was someone not tied to the currently very unpopular administration.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Harris could have won the thing, she came out of the gate well, made a decent VP pick went ahead in the polls and was fund raising well, at that point if she had some simple popular policies and some kind of personality she would have won, but she has the personality of a hamster and her only real policy was she wasn't Trump and in the last month that killed her

I don't think that's really true. Her peak polling aggregate leads in the swing states in September were pretty small and for the most part they ended up being smaller than the final polling error towards Trump. I think it's safe to say she was always behind in basically every swing state, save maybe for Wisconsin.

I think the only way the Democrats could've kept the White House is if Biden dropped out earlier and they were able to get a candidate who wasn't connected to the administration. Down ballot Democrats did relatively well all things considered (they're on track to win 5 of the 6 Senate races in the 7 swing states Trump won), but the Presidential outcome was a pretty clear repudiation of the Biden administration.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

They were not in the thread in 2020 when Biden kicked the crap out of Bernie and then kicked the crap out of Trump. But this is 2024 so they are back.

I've been here the whole time. Go check my posting history. In 2020, I said that Biden winning would likely lead to a Trump win in 2024 because his administration would not do enough to improve the material conditions of the working class.

I'm not some political savant, but all of this was extremely easy to predict for anyone who was actually paying attention.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Such a load of crap.
The only reason these are issues is because Republicans want to strip us of basic human rights. And by that I mean women's rights are human rights. Gay rights are human rights. Trans rights are human rights. Etc. If no one was trying to restrict these human rights what would the issue be?
Unless you don't think that these are human rights?

I didn't give you my perspective.
I said Americans won't elect someone with those things as primary focus points.

Don't mistake what I'm saying about Americans as my own perspective.
Women's rights, gay rights, trans rights, minority rights are all important to me, but they're only somewhat important to the average American.
The truth about where Americans priorities are isn't great, and that's why the voted for Trump.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Exactly, its team sports...I wouldn't vote for the Oilers ever.

I would be questioning why people didn't show up...Trump hit his ceiling, could have beat him easily with turnout

From what I'm reading online, there are still quite a few votes to be counted and it's expected the final turnout numbers will be similar to 2020.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I didn't give you my perspective.
I said Americans won't elect someone with those things as primary focus points.

What national politician has ever made those things their primary focus points? The Democratic campaign said virtually nothing about so-called "woke" policies in this election.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

This is factually not true, as supported by this election. Missouri, a deep-red state, voted overwhelmingly in favour of a $15 minimum wage and mandated sick days.

There were numerous progressive ballot measures that won in States that Harris lost.

Yes, you can sell a simple easily understandable benefit to white people, you cannot sell anything that appears to only help a minority, be they brown gay or even women, you can enact them once you are in power if they aint too contentious but you cannot sell them

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Yes, you can sell a simple easily understandable benefit to white people, you cannot sell anything that appears to only help a minority, be they brown gay or even women, you can enact them once you are in power if they aint too contentious but you cannot sell them

I agree. You need to sell policies that target the entire working class, not just small pockets of groups identified my race, gender, etc.

And then you have this garbage. Libs being mad about the results, so going full, mask-off, revenge fantasies. Great look for trying to win those voters back.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854976427990606078

[rubecube]

Pelosi is blaming Biden. Can't say I disagree with her.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854968427854635409

[Paulie Walnuts]

Pelosi is a 100 time to hang em.

[CroFlames]

In the least surprising news of the year

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854164649433858119

[AC]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Exactly, its team sports...I wouldn't vote for the Oilers ever.

I would be questioning why people didn't show up...Trump hit his ceiling, could have beat him easily with turnout and she didn't get it, case closed.

Should have run the Rock I guess, this is what they have become.

It honestly feels like The Rock would have obliterated the votes, he's just so damn likeable! Legitimate Idiocracy vibes had it been The Rock vs Trump.

Granted, he would have lost a lot of votes from people being confused when they saw the name Dwayne Johnson when it came to vote and not "The Rock".