American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I am getting vibes that this might be the "backed into a corner" phase of American politics where alot - I mean, a lot - of inward looking is going to happen for Democrats, progressives, and even some Republicans. I get the sense from various groups and communities that this 2nd Trump term may actually galvanize people to organize, act, and give a #### about things beyond their own fiefdoms.

I am aware this is a very high level sentiment, and the next four years are going to be significant for many and downright oppresives for others, but when your back is against the wall and you begin to lose a sense of control is when human determinism really kicks in.

continuing with the overused sports analogy for politics, treat it like a rebuild. Ditch the country club atmosphere and the lazy, uninspired veterans. Accumulate and develop talent, instill a culture of hard work, team first mentality, and hating to lose. It's what the Republicans had to do, which is why they're currently holding the trophy.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

continuing with the overused sports analogy for politics, treat it like a rebuild. Ditch the country club atmosphere and the lazy, uninspired veterans. Accumulate and develop talent, instill a culture of hard work, team first mentality, and hating to lose. It's what the Republicans had to do, which is why they're currently holding the trophy.

It's definitely an apt analogy. I'd go one step further and give the Republicans campaign a win over the Democrats. For as vile and awful as Trump and his brand and politics are, I think today's article by Max Fawcett sums that up quite well.

National Observer: What Trump's extremely online victory means for progressive politics in Canada

As Democrats continue to sift through the ashes of Tuesday’s election, they’ve begun the process of trying to understand what happened to them and their country. This was no mere fluke like 2016, and there is no single tactical or strategic decision — other than, perhaps, Joe Biden’s refusal to step down after the midterm elections in 2022 — that can explain why so many Americans decided to double down on Donald Trump. In the end, Kamala Harris never really had a chance.

That’s in large part because her party is still fighting elections like it’s 2008. Harris had more endorsements, including most of Trump’s former cabinet. She raised more money, spent more on conventional advertising, and had the most sophisticated “ground game” — that combination of phone bankers, door knockers, and other volunteers dedicated to annoying people into voting — in American political history.

Trump, in contrast, outsourced his own ground game, such as it was, to Elon Musk and Charlie Kirk. And while his campaign was often accused of being “terminally online,” that’s actually where it did its most important work. MAGA Republicans have controlled the alternative media space in America for years now, whether that’s podcasts or streaming or other non-conventional sources of information.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854163345622155322

More reason for Ovechkin to take this piece of ####s record.

Piece of ####? Really? Come on man.

Please tell me cancel culture isn’t coming after the Great One because of his political beliefs. Pathetic.

[Johnny Makarov]

He should be cancelled because he was the whiniest whiner to ever play the game! Unretire 99!

[#-3]

In the past 3 days I've had enough conversations with Canadians that could be summarized along the lines of;

*Trump was treated pretty unfair with the amount of time they spent trying to charge him with stuff.
*At least now the economy will be better
*He's not serious about the stuff he said he wants to do
*The democrats didn't do anything the past 4 years, so now maybe something will get done

And the real kicker;
*Now we can stop the environmentally harmful stuff like wasting money on windmills that only last a couple of years. (never mind the fact that the US government has nothing to do with windmill installations in Alberta). But where to people hear this ####, and how do they possibly believe it?

I guess the moral of this that people are so low information, and have absolutely no desire to become more informed to the point that being better isn't good enough. You have to give people who literally couldn't care to source good information a simple narrative that they can latch onto, and what Trump has taught us is you can flood the zone with simple narratives, and people will latch onto whatever one they want to, true or not.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

He should be cancelled because he was the whiniest whiner to ever play the game! Unretire 99!

And topple his statues.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

He should be cancelled because he was the whiniest whiner to ever play the game! Unretire 99!

Hahahaha.

Would you be saying this if he supported Kamala?

[Ozy_Flame]

Saw a good comment on Reddit about #99, and now I can't unsee it:

Wayne Gretzky is as much a Canadian icon as Tim Hortons. They used to be good, but sold out to corporate interest long ago.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

It's definitely an apt analogy. I'd go one step further and give the Republicans campaign a win over the Democrats. For as vile and awful as Trump and his brand and politics are, I think today's article by Max Fawcett sums that up quite well.[/URL]

I also suspect that by 2026, there will be a large amount of moderate Republicans that are going to have buyer's remorse when they realize that Trump isn't protecting their freedoms or their wallet, and America is going to have to start making their voices heard. Many Republicans will spin doctor what Trump does, but many will also have a breaking point - and it's not even Trump that's the problem, it's his surrounding people and PACs that will greatly make up that equation too. Things are going to get reprehensibly worse before they get better unfortunately.

As you and Ingelwood Jack alluded to (and same with what Jimmy Kimmel said the other night) the next four years may be needed to 'reset' the political spectrum as something that was needed to eventually get American democracy back on the right track. The beginning of the rebuild, so to speak. You could say they're at their Summer 2022-2023 Treliving era right now.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Saw a good comment on Reddit about #99, and now I can't unsee it:

Wayne Gretzky is as much a Canadian icon as Tim Hortons. They used to be good, but sold out to corporate interest long ago.

Ya. That would keep me up at night too. The world may stop spinning any minute now.

[calgarygeologist]

Mark Cuban—who is backing Harris—said “you never see him around strong, intelligent women, ever, it’s very simple, they’re intimidating to him,” when asked about Trump’s ability to court Nikki Haley voters during an appearance on ABC’s “The View,” adding “he doesn’t like to be challenged by them, and you know, Nikki Haley will call him on his nonsense with reproductive rights and how he sees and treats and talks about women.”

Meanwhile Trump has hired one of the smartest and most powerful women in the GOP as the first female White House Chief of Staff.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Hahahaha.

Would you be saying this if he supported Kamala?

This is a Flames board. Yes, we do not like Republican Wayne Gretzky. We don't like Democratic Wayne Gretzky. We don't like Fried Wayne Gretzky. And we don't like Wayne Gretzky over-easy.

Drunk Wayne Gretzky is kind of amusing though I will give you that.

[ResAlien]

Seeing a lot of freakouts about tariffs and the cost of good skyrocketing

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Muta

As you and Ingelwood Jack alluded to (and same with what Jimmy Kimmel said the other night) the next four years may be needed to 'reset' the political spectrum as something that was needed to eventually get American democracy back on the right track. The beginning of the rebuild, so to speak. You could say they're at their Summer 2022-2023 Treliving era right now.

Let's also not forget that some things are happening that the Trump administration cannot turn the clock back on and they're going to be forced to accept as realities whether they want to or not:

- The rapid growth and scaling of digital economies and automation reshaping job markets, including the growth of gig and freelance work (and the need for protections and benefits for people in this economy)
- Climate change and extreme weather events (no matter what MTG or crazy right-wings tell you)
- biodiversity loss and water scarcity
- the transition to the green economy
- rising calls for well distribution and fairer taxation policies
- declining birthrates (much to the chagrin of christians)
- global migration and urbanization, including a growing urban/rural divide in human needs
- mental health awareness
- the unstoppable shift to cheap batteries and electric cars


And the list goes on and on.

The question is - will the Republicans under Trump (and other conservative movements like his) work with or against this societal change?

[ResAlien]

lol with. They’ll work with him.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Piece of ####? Really? Come on man.

Please tell me cancel culture isn’t coming after the Great One because of his political beliefs. Pathetic.

He supports an openly racist conman, felon, and rapist. How does that not make him a piece of ####?

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Piece of ####? Really? Come on man.

Please tell me cancel culture isn’t coming after the Great One because of his political beliefs. Pathetic.

Politics aside, he should be cancelled for being an Oiler

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Let's also not forget that some things are happening that the Trump administration cannot turn the clock back on and they're going to be forced to accept as realities whether they want to or not:

- The rapid growth and scaling of digital economies and automation reshaping job markets, including the growth of gig and freelance work (and the need for protections and benefits for people in this economy)
- Climate change and extreme weather events (no matter what MTG or crazy right-wings tell you)
- biodiversity loss and water scarcity
- the transition to the green economy
- rising calls for well distribution and fairer taxation policies
- declining birthrates (much to the chagrin of christians)
- global migration and urbanization, including a growing urban/rural divide in human needs
- mental health awareness
- the unstoppable shift to cheap batteries and electric cars


And the list goes on and on.

The question is - will the Republicans under Trump (and other conservative movements like his) work with or against this societal change?

I can't see them supporting anything on your list. To be honest, some of your list might even age out. The first mass marketed hydrogen fuel cell powered car is online in Australia.

[Muta]

That's the problem with the right-wing mindset; it's "our way only, there's no other way, and if we shout and stomp our feet enough, that'll make the problems go away". It's anti-change and it's head-in-the-sand behaviour, FYGM so to speak. Hell, Marlaina is the Canadian queen of this delusion.

It's a fleeting mindset that doesn't work with society, science, technology, and environment rapidly evolving/changing regardless of whether people want it to or not.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

He supports an openly racist conman, felon, and rapist. How does that not make him a piece of ####?

Well at least you still have Sean Combs.