American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by sarge

Didn’t he also claim that he was going to slash energy costs by 50%? ��

Also claimed he'd build a wall that Mexico would pay for.

Then a grifter started a go fund me and predictably stole the money; which was glorious tbh.

[Nufy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

"Gas was cheap when Trump left"
yeah it was a pandemic and nobody was allowed to go anywhere lol

oh well, he's in charge now...so cheap eggs and gas coming soon rite? The beauty of all this is now he actually has to do the job, and the job ####ing sucks

Nah...He'll just Blame Biden / Harris, Obama / Crooked Hillary...

Or someone not him...

[Doctorfever]

Could the thread tile have been “Orange is the new black”?

/g

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Not addressing inflation was a killer. Inflation brings down nearly every govt.

It's Tuesday morning quarterback now, but she should have run on a platform of:
1. Kill Inflation by balancing the federal budget and reducing the deficit
2. Tax cuts for small businesses under $10m in turnover and individuals under $400k.
3. Immigration: we're closing the our borders and moving to skills based Immigration, not corporate led. Complete overhaul.

Dems needed to hammer the immigration (i.e border) issue better. They had a border bill, the Republicans stymied it so they could use the border as an issue in the election.

They didnt push that (maybe fearing the border wasnt an issue their supporters wanted to talk about?) to their detriment.

I know a lot of people were commenting that the Dems were playing the abortion debate too hard. I figured there was some stats to back up how well that would play (like state votes on these). For whatever reason that didn't work like they thought it would

[rubecube]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854646987083092128

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Could the thread tile have been “Orange is the new black”?

/g

V2 was "Orange is the New POTUS", so mostly ripping ourselves off would be unbecoming.

[KelVarnsen]

Why oh why did I open this thread?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The beauty of all this is now he actually has to do the job, and the job ####ing sucks

He absolutely does not. "Go ahead and play 18 holes, Mr. President, we've got everything covered here. We'll have some things for you to sign later."

[rubecube]

Thread on the working class voters the Dems have bled to Trump. I don't think this is just because of racism, misogyny, and misinformation.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854167518773928230

[blender]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

What if it were Michelle? I don't disagree with you that the Dems may be scared to run another woman but that would be a mistake. Hillary and Kamala, especially, were appointed. That may have been part of the problem. A woman wins an open nomination, that would say a lot.

I assume you mean Michelle Obama.
I honestly think it doesn't matter which woman. I'm arguing that Harris running and losing to Trump is a massive step backward on the path to a female president.

I hope I am wrong.
I am a feminist, and if half the presidents of the last 50 years were women, I'm sure the world would be a better place today, full stop.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Eggs .99? People just like to make #### up hey.

You spend a lot of time in America? When we moved here in 2017, a dozen eggs or fallin of milk were on sale a few times a month at/under $1.

The correct response is this has nothing to do with who is president.

[afc wimbledon]

To a large degree it doesn't matter what Dem's do, it's fairly clear at this point after Brexit, Boris Johnson Trump, Palin and Palin Lite Boebart and co elections will be run on meme candidates who tell the voters any meaningless rubbish they want to hear

The lesson is you can't be or look serious, you shouldn't give a rats ass in hell whether your policies will work or are even possible, promise everyone that Taylor will give them a hand job on day one

What will kill the left is they are so po faced and most of their pet causes are cringe inducing and alienate the average middle class white straight voter, you can stand up for the rights of the LGBTQ community or Black Lives Matter but you had better have the most ordinary boring looking white gay dude as your token LGBTQ member, you can say you support BLM but dont take a knee it just gives the right a stick to beat you with, this whole thing is now about image

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The trouble is you cant address inflation, you can only lie about it, there is nothing anyone can do about supply chain issues, post Covid and the Ukraine crisis, Trump hasnt got an answer, he's just selling bull#### to the rubes

Agree in part (address), disagree on the major inflation source.

My basis of disagreement is built on:
- America is the World's largest economy by a wide margin, and the largest consumer market, as well as the reserve currency. They hold outsized power and influence based on these reasons.

- The American govt is currently running a 7% deficit. Sustainable is 3%. The fiscal deficit spending brings inflation more than the expansion of the Fed's balance sheet.

- Balancing the budget puts you in territory where you'd significantly slow inflationary spending from the government.

- The economic system I believe in, is there are corps, households and the government. If you take from corps&/or house holds it adds to the govt and vice versa. When the government runs a surplus, corps and households take the hit, unless you shrink the size of government, or grow tax receipts.

- This is where you go with tax cuts for everyone else except the top dawgs. Ultimately tax receipts to GDP for the US hovers around 27% no matter what the policy/president, but you shift where those dollars are coming from which can help with cost of living pressures.

- That buys you time to reduce the size of government, re-jig entitlements and incentives, etc.

You still have inflation pressures from oil price (the tax on everything) and de-globalisation (your supply chains), but you've removed the biggest source, large fiscal deficits.

Other nations would follow suit, or you can pressure them too if you are the US with access to your market.

...and of course the TLDR version:

Balanced budget and pay down the deficit resonates with anyone that runs a household. If the govt stops spending so much inflation shrinks.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by dino7c

"Gas was cheap when Trump left"
yeah it was a pandemic and nobody was allowed to go anywhere lol

oh well, he's in charge now...so cheap eggs and gas coming soon rite? The beauty of all this is now he actually has to do the job, and the job ####ing sucks

Exactly. When we moved it it was ridiculous how cheap everything was, in comparison to Canada. That is no longer the case. Which all changed during/after Covid. It had nothing to with the president. But that is what people remember. The good old days under Trump.
But now we gonna see what we get. And I don't think it's going to be pretty.

[Aarongavey]

The current spread between WTI and WCS is about 12 bucks ($72 to $60). Once you slap on the 20% tariff on that 60 dollars the Alberta guys would be getting about $48 bucks a barrel. Trump has to do this to protect America but I am not sure it is as good for Alberta as some folks think it will be.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Dems needed to hammer the immigration (i.e border) issue better. They had a border bill, the Republicans stymied it so they could use the border as an issue in the election.

They didnt push that (maybe fearing the border wasnt an issue their supporters wanted to talk about?) to their detriment.

The Dems seem to always let Trump control what issues are talked about and what directions they take. The Dems really needed to be more sympathetic towards people struggling and backwards mobility against the backdrop of resources being used to help immigrants. It's breeding a lot of discontent, racism, and hatred. But instead, Trump says stupid things like "they're eating the dogs", forcing the liberal Democrats to double down on how important and great immigration is. So while a lot of people know what Trump said was ridiculous, they also end up feeling that the Democrats don't see any issues.

I know a lot of people were commenting that the Dems were playing the abortion debate too hard. I figured there was some stats to back up how well that would play (like state votes on these). For whatever reason that didn't work like they thought it would

I am curious to know the minutia when it comes to abortion and demographics that support liberal laws. The Democrats really let that issue drive things. It's probably a top issue for women between the ages of 18-35 who are non-religious and career driven (so educated). But among other groups, it probably starts to fall down the list and becomes increasingly negotiable, even for many on the left. They have to pay more attention to these wedge issues and not fall for the bait.

[afc wimbledon]

What I couldn't understand is why the Dem's weren't hamering home the risk to medicare, healthcare the VA and Obamacare, I mean all of that is pretty much going to be gone now, Trump can just hand it all over to the Insurance sector and there is no McCain to stop him

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That's the thing. It's one thing to be a good politician, but campaigning and winning an election is a completely different skillset these days, and you don't need the former if you have the latter.

I don't think it can be understated how much entertainment and the need to be amused is part of American culture and the way of thinking. It's the global entertainment hub for a reason. Elections in America have always been about pageantry and fanfare; it's not just a thing they do because it needs to be done, it is a cultural foundation. You need celebrity engagement and endorsements to have credibility. In most countries, election are a chore and just something you want to get out of the way, so you can get on with life. In the information age, and with social media introducing new entertainment pathways, it's only increasing.

Sanders has been a very effective politician. He just got sidelined by the DNC to make sure he was not a candidate in 2016 or 2020 for that matter.

Also, it didn't help Harris at all to have a bunch of celebrity donations.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Legacy media is in a death spiral. The only cable news outlet that's consistently pulling in eyeballs is Fox and we all know why that is.

Having Rogan, The Daily Wire, Twitter, Turning Point USA, LibsofTikTok, Adin Ross, etc., to spread your message is far more valuable than having CNN and MSNBC push it.

And honestly, fair play to the Trump campaign for recognizing that early on. From what I understand, it was actually Baron who was pushing his dad to go on many of these alternative platforms to reach out to young men, and it worked.

Agreed on that.

Harris refused to engage with all those people, and the media (and much of the left for that matter) had vilified independent media or podcasts for a long time.

"Rogan is a nutjob."

Okay then. That worked out great 2 days ago.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Thread on the working class voters the Dems have bled to Trump. I don't think this is just because of racism, misogyny, and misinformation.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854167518773928230

Given in the inability of many on the left to understand this, early indications of the 2028 election have JD Vance winning.