American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Canadians were happy with the extremely high (by global standards) immigration rates of 7-10 years ago. It’s only when those already high rates spiked dramatically higher during the post-covid housing crisis that the public turned against the Liberals on the issue. The public perception is that backdoor immigration through student visas and TFWs got out of control. Even the government’s own advisors warned them that bringing in that many new Canadians that quickly would only worsen the housing crisis, and that’s exactly what happened.

Most Canadians (and Americans) support immigration. But like people everywhere else, they want that immigration to be selective and controlled. Support falls away when authorities lose control.

Just dismissing this as millions of voters suddenly becoming ignorant bigots is a sure-fire way to get your ass handed to you in elections.

I think the question that doesn’t get discussed when immigration comes up is what should the population of Canada be and what are the consequences to each of those numbers?

That is a question that is independent from the Xenophobia discussion that often occurs in the pro and against immigration question.

I think in an ideal scenario you would end population growth and increase taxation to cover old age entitlements. Slowly walk the growth rate down to like .1% per year. That still leads a tonne of immigration room as the birth rate is 1.3 per women compared with 2.1 being replacement level.

Now this would need to be a 50 year plan to walk it back to handle the change to demographics but given a finite amount of resources endless growth isn’t a good model.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I am curious as to what the reasons are. I assume that it's because Bernie and Trump are both isolationist an tariff guys?

Bernie has always been seen as a "socialist" by American standards and the perception is that socialism is a bad word in America and their citizens won't vote for someone with that word attached to them.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I am curious as to what the reasons are. I assume that it's because Bernie and Trump are both isolationist an tariff guys?

Rogan endorsed Sanders in 2020 and has had him on his show more than once. Which again if you actually listen to the interviews helps people understand who Sanders is and what he stands for.

Bernie Sanders is facing a backlash from some Democrats after his campaign trumpeted an endorsement from comedian Joe Rogan, a popular podcast and YouTube talk show host with a history of making racist, homophobic and transphobic comments.

The Sanders campaign touted the endorsement in a tweet on Thursday afternoon, featuring a clip of Rogan’s supportive remarks.

“I think I’ll probably vote for Bernie. Him as a human being, when I was hanging out with him, I believe in him, I like him, I like him a lot,” Rogan said on an earlier episode of his show.

“What Bernie stands for is a guy – look, you could dig up dirt on every single human being that’s ever existed if you catch them in their worst moment and you magnify those moments and you cut out everything else and you only display those worst moments. That said, you can’t find very many with Bernie. He’s been insanely consistent his entire life. He’s basically been saying the same thing, been for the same thing his whole life. And that in and of itself is a very powerful structure to operate from.”

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/24/polit...ent/index.html

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Bernie has always been seen as a "socialist" by American standards and the perception is that socialism is a bad word in America and their citizens won't vote for someone with that word attached to them.

That and he is 100 years old

Personally I think he is way better than any recent candidate but I dont think he is electable

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

That and he is 100 years old

Personally I think he is way better than any recent candidate but I dont think he is electable

I was talking back in the day when it was him or Hilary and they pushed him out to latch onto Hilary. He was 73 when that campaigning started, I believe. Age has never seemed to be an issue with voters based on their recent Presidents.

[Reggie Dunlop]

America will become more like Russia in that the civil service will be marginally competent but corrupt. Want the gang of Proud Boys to stop harassing you and your business? You'll have to bribe the cops. That sort of thing.

[dino7c]

Who to blame for Hurricanes and Forest fires now though? The spin is gonna be hilarious with the GOP in charge of everything and everything a disaster

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Who to blame for Hurricanes and Forest fires now though? The spin is gonna be hilarious with the GOP in charge of everything and everything a disaster

Donny will just nuke them.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

That and he is 100 years old

Personally I think he is way better than any recent candidate but I dont think he is electable

That's the thing. It's one thing to be a good politician, but campaigning and winning an election is a completely different skillset these days, and you don't need the former if you have the latter.

I don't think it can be understated how much entertainment and the need to be amused is part of American culture and the way of thinking. It's the global entertainment hub for a reason. Elections in America have always been about pageantry and fanfare; it's not just a thing they do because it needs to be done, it is a cultural foundation. You need celebrity engagement and endorsements to have credibility. In most countries, election are a chore and just something you want to get out of the way, so you can get on with life. In the information age, and with social media introducing new entertainment pathways, it's only increasing.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by SebC

How does a better campaign help this situation?

Spoiler!

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/link-bet...public-opinion

Interesting info. Kind of weird it's mostly based on the last few months before the election though.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That's the thing. It's one thing to be a good politician, but campaigning and winning an election is a completely different skillset these days, and you don't need the former if you have the latter.

I don't think it can be understated how much entertainment and the need to be amused is part of American culture and the way of thinking. It's the global entertainment hub for a reason. Elections in America have always been about pageantry and fanfare; it's not just a thing they do because it needs to be done, it is a cultural foundation. You need celebrity engagement and endorsements to have credibility. In most countries, election are a chore and just something you want to get out of the way, so you can get on with life. In the information age, and with social media introducing new entertainment pathways, it's only increasing.

The Rock is their only hope

[Looch City]

I came across this article on BBC: 'It's simple, really' - why Latinos flocked to Trump's working-class coalition

In the state's "Latino belt" - an eastern industrial corridor that has shifted to the right in the last two elections - some voters said they were not surprised by the result.

"It's simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago," said Samuel Negron, a Pennsylvania state constable and member of the large Puerto Rican community in the city of Allentown.

"Out here, you pay $5 for a dozen eggs. It used to be $1, or even 99 cents," Mr Negron added. "A lot of us have woken up, in my opinion, from Democratic lies that things have been better. We realised things were better then."

I was sarcastically posting stuff like this all year long and now we see it's all actually true lol.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Eggs .99? People just like to make #### up hey.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Trump should have gone on the view in 2020 I guess. Rogan endorsed Trump...he wouldnt have given her the softballs like he did Don.

She was endorsed by the entirety of Hollywood elite. Out of touch millionaire celebrities couldn’t get her elected. She was a bad candidate. She got beat by an orange tinted used car salesmen. The Democratic Party needs to be infused with a person who speaks to the working class, blue collar old school liberals, old school conservatives, next election.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

She was endorsed by the entirety of Hollywood elite. Out of touch millionaire celebrities couldn’t get her elected. She was a bad candidate. She got beat by an orange tinted used car salesmen. The Democratic Party needs to be infused with a person who speaks to the working class, blue collar old school liberals, old school conservatives, next election.

What does that have to do with Rogan? I'm saying it wouldn't have made a difference

again these people elected MTG, qualifications don't matter. Fool more uneducated whites is the name of the game I guess.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What does that have to do with Rogan? I'm saying it wouldn't have made a difference

I’m just saying that it doesn’t matter if either candidate went in Rogan. People are sick of both parties, and who they choose to represent them

[Muta]

How ignorant to assume that Trump single-handedly is the reason for lower prices (five years ago), therefore Trump is responsible and will fix everything going forward. You gotta be a real nutjob to believe that.

By the logic, why not vote for Lincoln; I'm sure eggs were super cheap in 1863

[afc wimbledon]

anyone tell RFKhaos that stem cells are mostly side product of abortions?

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

anyone tell RFKhaos that stem cells are mostly side product of abortions?

I thought he was prochoice

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Eggs .99? People just like to make #### up hey.

He is not wrong
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eggs-us