Plain 'ol investment doesn't work either due to corruption, most of the time.
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There is a perception among low information voters that immigration itself is a big problem, and that the current LPC is complicit by failing to put barriers in place to prevent people from coming into the country in droves - in other words, the idea is that it should be illegal for a lot more people. The message is basically the same as down south - "there's not enough of this country to go around, so get the hell out and stay the hell out so there's more for me and my family".
Now, there are obvious, glaring flaws with that simplistic view, but as we have just seen, those flaws do not matter because it takes longer than 15 seconds to explain them.
mostly tied to the housing crisis in canada
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There is a perception among low information voters that immigration itself is a big problem, and that the current LPC is complicit by failing to put barriers in place to prevent people from coming into the country in droves - in other words, the idea is that it should be illegal for a lot more people. The message is basically the same as down south - "there's not enough of this country to go around, so get the hell out and stay the hell out so there's more for me and my family".
Now, there are obvious, glaring flaws with that simplistic view, but as we have just seen, those flaws do not matter because it takes longer than 15 seconds to explain them.
Canadians were happy with the extremely high (by global standards) immigration rates of 7-10 years ago. It’s only when those already high rates spiked dramatically higher during the post-covid housing crisis that the public turned against the Liberals on the issue. The public perception is that backdoor immigration through student visas and TFWs got out of control. Even the government’s own advisors warned them that bringing in that many new Canadians that quickly would only worsen the housing crisis, and that’s exactly what happened.
Most Canadians (and Americans) support immigration. But like people everywhere else, they want that immigration to be selective and controlled. Support falls away when authorities lose control.
Just dismissing this as millions of voters suddenly becoming ignorant bigots is a sure-fire way to get your ass handed to you in elections.
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I'm still kind of amazed we haven't come up with an Americas regional plan, where we invest in countries south of us to help their economy and rely less on China. By boosting their economic systems, we'd provide more political stability, increase living standards and vastly reduce the "last hope" migrant influx. Like, if people are going to make the journey from South America on foot with young children, you've gotta assume #### is pretty bad, and it's worth the risks. A minor improvement for them would reduce these immigration problems.
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Plain 'ol investment doesn't work either due to corruption, most of the time.
Yeah, the country's government would have to do it.
China wants to do it, their government wants them to be the world's factory, their regulations (or lack thereof) builds a business ecosystem.
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I think this is a great idea in theory, but then you have stuff like Iran in the 50s where the Brits and Americans are staging coups to get the “friendly” governments back in power.
Not saying it can’t work, but history has shown us that politicians can’t help themselves and it turns into something more nefarious than plain ol’ investment. I guess Israel is a good example of it working? Depending on what your definition of “good” is?
Ya, I'm not talking about installing governments, but there have to be at least a few stable countries you could start with.
Canadians were happy with the extremely high (by global standards) immigration rates of 7-10 years ago. It’s only when those already high rates spiked dramatically higher during the post-covid housing crisis that the public turned against the Liberals on the issue. The public perception is that backdoor immigration through student visas and TFWs got out of control. Even the government’s own advisors warned them that bringing in that many new Canadians that quickly would only worsen the housing crisis, and that’s exactly what happened.
Most Canadians (and Americans) support immigration. But like people everywhere else, they want that immigration to be selective and controlled. Support falls away when authorities lose control.
Just dismissing this as millions of voters suddenly becoming ignorant bigots is a sure-fire way to get your ass handed to you in elections.
People aren't against immigration, they are against shortages of houses and healthcare. The fact that the Liberals just let in a million people a year with no plan to house them is, rightfully, baffling for most Canadians. Candians were already struggling with Covid induced supply shortages and inflation, the housing/health care crisis was a blow that many couldn't handle.
People are concerned about the cost of living, which has increased dramatically since 2020. Calling them racists isn't going to win votes.
Elon buying twitter for $44B and turning it into a right-wing echo-chamber isn't captured there. Trump didn't have to spend as much because there is an existing right-wing mediasphere doing the dirty work for him.
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I've read a bit more about what Bobby wants to go after. Here's the problem: he's right on just enough things (e.g. the amount of chemicals in America's garbage food supply, fracking causing water issues, etc.) to give him credibility among some people to be absolutely bat#### insane on numerous other things.
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There is a perception among low information voters that immigration itself is a big problem, and that the current LPC is complicit by failing to put barriers in place to prevent people from coming into the country in droves - in other words, the idea is that it should be illegal for a lot more people. The message is basically the same as down south - "there's not enough of this country to go around, so get the hell out and stay the hell out so there's more for me and my family".
Now, there are obvious, glaring flaws with that simplistic view, but as we have just seen, those flaws do not matter because it takes longer than 15 seconds to explain them.
Well there is only enough housing, health care resources, jobs, etc to go around.
I don't think we should have a problem with taking in people looking for better opportunity that are willing to work hard to make things work. Which most people probably are coming to Canada.
My problem and everyone's problem for that matter is we don't have unlimited resources for all those people. So we're not exactly accomplishing much if we bring economic prosperity in Canada down on average by too much immigration of any kind.
People aren't against immigration, they are against shortages of houses and healthcare. The fact that the Liberals just let in a million people a year with no plan to house them is, rightfully, baffling for most Canadians. Candians were already struggling with Covid induced supply shortages and inflation, the housing/health care crisis was a blow that many couldn't handle.
People are concerned about the cost of living, which has increased dramatically since 2020. Calling them racists isn't going to win votes.
Its not baffling.
Same thing in the US.
Corporate Canada and corporate America wanted low cost workers. Therefore the governments brought in low cost workers.
Honestly not that complicated.
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Democrats should go on Rogan (and other shows) and spread their message, like totally book him for the next 4 years. He's pretty much an empty vessel.
No, Rogan is not an empty vessel that democrats can just go on and use to their advantage, not even close. He goes easy and provides a safe place to speak for people that he likes/agrees with, which makes it look like an empty vessel show with high ratings.
He skews to the far right/conspiracy/progressive democrats are ruining America are ruining the country, so those guests come on and get to advertise their thoughts with little to no pushback. He has guests on that run counter every so often, but it is a wildly different interview. He suddenly turns into a hard hitting, no nonsense host.
One exception is that he really likes Bernie Sanders, oddly enough for a lot of the reasons that the Dems never saw Bernie as a legitimate presidential candidate.
Elon buying twitter for $44B and turning it into a right-wing echo-chamber isn't captured there. Trump didn't have to spend as much because there is an existing right-wing mediasphere doing the dirty work for him.
As opposed to the rest of the media pushing Harris as the perfect candidate and not even asking her proper questions?
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No, Rogan is not an empty vessel that democrats can just go on and use to their advantage, not even close. He goes easy and provides a safe place to speak for people that he likes/agrees with, which makes it look like an empty vessel show with high ratings.
He skews to the far right/conspiracy/progressive democrats are ruining America are ruining the country, so those guests come on and get to advertise their thoughts with little to no pushback. He has guests on that run counter every so often, but it is a wildly different interview. He suddenly turns into a hard hitting, no nonsense host.
One exception is that he really likes Bernie Sanders, oddly enough for a lot of the reasons that the Dems never saw Bernie as a legitimate presidential candidate.
John Fetterman was on Rogan the other day and it was a great interview that I thought really helped people understand who Fetterman is.
If Harris would have gone on Rogan it would have done the same thing.
Everyone knows that the real way to understand people's perspectives is to sit down and have a conversation instead of just posting soundbites and speeches from a teleprompter.
One exception is that he really likes Bernie Sanders, oddly enough for a lot of the reasons that the Dems never saw Bernie as a legitimate presidential candidate.
I am curious as to what the reasons are. I assume that it's because Bernie and Trump are both isolationist an tariff guys?
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