I generally don’t get political on social media but, it’s crazy how many people are so worried about how bad Trump will be for the Canadian economy but not how bad Justin Trudeau is for the Canadian economy.
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That's exactly a campaign issue, though. I'm not in the US, but I talked to plenty of people there, and they all echoed that kind of sentiment (which, by the way, made yesterday super fun as people texted me how happy they were that Trump won and everything was so awesome...but I digress).
The fact is, Democrats needed to campaign on the strength of the economy. They needed to push the message that unemployment is historically low, inflation has dropped significantly, the stock market is at all-time highs, and GDP is growing at a reasonable rate. Instead, the campaign was this mushy talk on that subject that didn't push back at all.
I will say that the inflation piece is almost impossible, though. The reality is that Trump's policies, while he was in office, allowed it to flame up, and people don't understand that dropping inflation doesn't mean prices go down; it means they rise at a slower rate. What people want to see is deflation, and frankly, that is only happening if you have a huge economic issue (and no one actually wants that).
That's exactly a campaign issue, though. I'm not in the US, but I talked to plenty of people there, and they all echoed that kind of sentiment (which, by the way, made yesterday super fun as people texted me how happy they were that Trump won and everything was so awesome...but I digress).
The fact is, Democrats needed to campaign on the strength of the economy. They needed to push the message that unemployment is historically low, inflation has dropped significantly, the stock market is at all-time highs, and GDP is growing at a reasonable rate. Instead, the campaign was this mushy talk on that subject that didn't push back at all.
I will say that the inflation piece is almost impossible, though. The reality is that Trump's policies, while he was in office, allowed it to flame up, and people don't understand that dropping inflation doesn't mean prices go down; it means they rise at a slower rate. What people want to see is deflation, and frankly, that is only happening if you have a huge economic issue (and no one actually wants that).
I do think Biden gave too much COVID money for too long, long after COVID was done which ultimately was poor macro economic decision making. They had to hide that, they couldn't go 100% blame Trump.
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Yes. We all know this.
My point is there will be a reaction to this outcome, and no female candidate will make it out of the primaries for a generation.
I'm not saying it's as it should be, but the last two female presidential candidates lost to Trump in embarrassing fashion. It's not a hot take to suggest we won't see a third any time soon.
What if it were Michelle? I don't disagree with you that the Dems may be scared to run another woman but that would be a mistake. Hillary and Kamala, especially, were appointed. That may have been part of the problem. A woman wins an open nomination, that would say a lot.
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I assume that means he wants to ban sunscreen, and...uhm...ya I don't ge the exercise bit. Maybe I'll have to listen to one of those 4 hour podcasts that interviewed him, because apparently he's much more logical in long form. So I've been told by his supporters.
The fact is, Democrats needed to campaign on the strength of the economy. They needed to push the message that unemployment is historically low, inflation has dropped significantly, the stock market is at all-time highs, and GDP is growing at a reasonable rate. Instead, the campaign was this mushy talk on that subject that didn't push back at all.
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Spoiler!
The people who don't get that the Dems actually did a great job are getting their info from Fox/Conservative sources and their social media bubbles. How do the Dems break that?
Wow, I have largely stayed off of CP for a while as I am out of the country and haven't been following US and Canadian politics as closely as I usually do, but I am shocked at a lot of the comments here and in general across media.
I don't know where the superiority comes into play with the down talking to people who are not perceived as smart or ones with an education in something higher than a high school diploma. I am by no means a big Trump fan but the amount of higher educated, wealthy, uber wealthy and successful business people who are in favor of a lot of his policies is very high. The Democrats did get a lot of celebrity endorsements from high profile people but Trump did have some of the worlds heavy hitters up to batt with him all along, not just social media posts. I fully understand that people like Bezos, Musk and a whole host of billionaires are going to benefit substantially from these policies but there is the other side of the coin to be debated.
We have a lot of Democrats looking around wondering how they lost black, latino, female, union voters and more. When you look at this segment of people as black or latino first and forget that they are also employees and employers in their business, your losing sight of what is on their mind.
Although I am pro choice in the abortion debate, going on and on and on about it to a bunch of primarily union male voters in the rust belt is beyond stupid politics. A lot of these people can't afford higher education, are being economically depressed and are also struggling landing women because of the above mentioned reasons. These guys don't need to worry about abortion rights to the same degree as Democrats think.
The Democrats need to seriously wake up and campaign smarter, it's beyond pathetic how bad it's become. Forget the tech bro's endorsements, forget the celebrities and all their nonsense. Cash their cheque, feed them at the event and completely forget about what they have to say at award shows. This playbook was literally the same playbook used by Clinton in 2016 and to some extent, Biden in 2020. People coming for a free concert does not equal voting support. Taylor Swift from Pennsylvania and a an appliance factory worker from Pennsylvania working for (insert any major US brand) have nothing in common in 2024, nothing, she can't help you. That type of stuff from the Democrats reminds me of a famous scene in a great movie, A Bronx Tale. The little kid is worried about the NY Yankee's and the mafia boss tells him not to worry about them, they are not going to help your father pay rent. Fantastic scene starts at 1:20 mark.
Trump is so beatable but the Democrats can't figure out basic things here. If it wasn't for Covid, would Trump lost in 20? This playbook for the Republican's isn't very hard to replicate which is why these candidates keep doing it and keep winning.
I actually didn't expect this result but I understand why we are here again in 24.
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Well the good news is, this is trumps 2nd term so this is it for the clown.
Unfortunately I've always believed Trump was the precursor to an uglier basement dweller we haven't seen yet. Meaning whomever comes after him isn't going to be a centrist, it's going to be one to take it fully into Fascism.
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If I had to pick the point of failure it’s that they didn’t follow through on the commitment that Biden was going to be a 1 term caretaker president. They didn’t build up Harris or Brown or Witmer or any alternative to Biden over the first 3 years of his term. That lack of a succession plan and the lack of the primary really hurt.
Everything follows from this and is a result of trying to respond to the situation this created.
The other major factor is the fact that many if not most of Americans live in a land of fantasy. On the right there's countless propaganda news outlets now to the point that they make Fox look mainstream. There's only one MSNBC.
Even beyond hiding basic reality from Trump voters, they serve to reenforce the support of the ideals and the party as much as an individual candidate. Sure Trump might look deranged but look at this person that was killed by an illegal immigrant!!
Throw in Musk buying and leveraging Twitter and it's not hard to understand why so many people complain about the campign not getting the facts out. They DID point out repeatedly that Trump saying crime was an all time high is a total lie (for example).
But that's the failure of debates and informal discourse. The truth often fails to lies because lies are fast and easy and truth is complex and difficult.
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If I had to pick the point of failure it’s that they didn’t follow through on the commitment that Biden was going to be a 1 term caretaker president. They didn’t build up Harris or Brown or Witmer or any alternative to Biden over the first 3 years of his term. That lack of a succession plan and the lack of the primary really hurt.
You say they, but only one person could make that call, and that was Biden.
He and RBG both tainted their legacies by not stepping away at the right time, and both had heavy consequences.
I'm not entirely convinced this election was winnable though.
Wow, I have largely stayed off of CP for a while as I am out of the country and haven't been following US and Canadian politics as closely as I usually do, but I am shocked at a lot of the comments here and in general across media.
I don't know where the superiority comes into play with the down talking to people who are not perceived as smart or ones with an education in something higher than a high school diploma. I am by no means a big Trump fan but the amount of higher educated, wealthy, uber wealthy and successful business people who are in favor of a lot of his policies is very high. The Democrats did get a lot of celebrity endorsements from high profile people but Trump did have some of the worlds heavy hitters up to batt with him all along, not just social media posts. I fully understand that people like Bezos, Musk and a whole host of billionaires are going to benefit substantially from these policies but there is the other side of the coin to be debated.
We have a lot of Democrats looking around wondering how they lost black, latino, female, union voters and more. When you look at this segment of people as black or latino first and forget that they are also employees and employers in their business, your losing sight of what is on their mind.
Although I am pro choice in the abortion debate, going on and on and on about it to a bunch of primarily union male voters in the rust belt is beyond stupid politics. A lot of these people can't afford higher education, are being economically depressed and are also struggling landing women because of the above mentioned reasons. These guys don't need to worry about abortion rights to the same degree as Democrats think.
The Democrats need to seriously wake up and campaign smarter, it's beyond pathetic how bad it's become. Forget the tech bro's endorsements, forget the celebrities and all their nonsense. Cash their cheque, feed them at the event and completely forget about what they have to say at award shows. This playbook was literally the same playbook used by Clinton in 2016 and to some extent, Biden in 2020. People coming for a free concert does not equal voting support. Taylor Swift from Pennsylvania and a an appliance factory worker from Pennsylvania working for (insert any major US brand) have nothing in common in 2024, nothing, she can't help you. That type of stuff from the Democrats reminds me of a famous scene in a great movie, A Bronx Tale. The little kid is worried about the NY Yankee's and the mafia boss tells him not to worry about them, they are not going to help your father pay rent. Fantastic scene starts at 1:20 mark.
Trump is so beatable but the Democrats can't figure out basic things here. If it wasn't for Covid, would Trump lost in 20? This playbook for the Republican's isn't very hard to replicate which is why these candidates keep doing it and keep winning.
I actually didn't expect this result but I understand why we are here again in 24.
Shouldn't that be the largest concern for Trump voters, since most of them tend to be much poorer? Like, why would you want to support the guy who has all the support of billionaires because he's promise dot cut their taxes and make them richer? Where does the money come from for that? Oh ya, the dumb Trump voters who somehow believe the orange monstrosity cares about them. It's just kind of sad how much intelligence and ability to think critically about outcomes that these voters have. It's not their fault the system utterly failed them, they really don't stand a chance. But when they vote and support Trump with such utter cockyness and complete lack of empathy for others, well, it makes it pretty easy to write them all of as imbeciles. Well, not the rich ones who know where their next big payday is coming from. For them it makes sense.
I don't know where the superiority comes into play with the down talking to people who are not perceived as smart or ones with an education in something higher than a high school diploma. I am by no means a big Trump fan but the amount of higher educated, wealthy, uber wealthy and successful business people who are in favor of a lot of his policies is very high. The Democrats did get a lot of celebrity endorsements from high profile people but Trump did have some of the worlds heavy hitters up to batt with him all along, not just social media posts. I fully understand that people like Bezos, Musk and a whole host of billionaires are going to benefit substantially from these policies but there is the other side of the coin to be debated.
Look, I've posted the stats and they are damning - the knowledge gap between Harris voters and Trump voters is huge, far bigger than the IQ gap. But yes, the billionaire class has reason to support Trump, and they've gotten the rubes to give them their votes. Trump's winning coalition is an alliance of rational billionaires and irrational/ignorant plebs.
Yes but Democrats are held to a higher standard. Trump can literally pretend to fellate a microphone on stage and no one cares. Imagine if Biden did that? He’s be out on the funny farm.
The Democrats & the media literally hid Biden's decline for a long time and it was a big part of the reason Harris was pushed in as the candidate and no primary was properly held.
But yeah, the Democrats are held to a higher standard. Good lord.
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I know he wants to do more internally for USA such as manufacturing and ignore climate change stuff, so if they develop more O&G in the US, does that hurt Alberta more than what Harris was going to do?
I was actually wondering today about Keystone? Any hope of that or a similar pipeline going through?
