American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Azure

Now go look at the growth of all those demographics from 2020 to 2024.

So are you saying he improved in every demographic? That's different than saying he won in every demographic.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854194300021887214

What, specifically, do you think that graph is showing?

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

The role of the government should be to smooth the valleys and peaks of the economy.

Trump inherited a healthy growing economy and threw gas on the fire and did it with unfunded tax cuts. It wasn't sustainable and he left a time bomb for the next guy.

Now that we don't have a real press that anyone listens to anymore, it is a winning political strategy. We really shouldn't be voting for someone who can grow the economy the most at all costs, and no thought of the future. But it seems to be a winning strategy for now.

Other than 2020, when COVID was kicking off, the deficit has been higher under every year of Biden's term than at any point during Trump's (and has actually been growing over the last couple of years)

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSD

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by Azure

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854194300021887214

You said:

Trump won in every demographic ACROSS THE BOARD.

That isn't what your source is saying.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

If Trump was terrible for the economy, and only did things that helped the ultra-rich, and the lower/middle class got poorer under Trump, why did real median household income rise so much under Trump?

If it's because Obama's policies were great, then clearly nothing Trump did hurt the economy much prior to COVID, because three years into Trump's term, the economy grew at the highest level over the last 40 years.

You can't simultaneously claim that Trump was terrible for the lower/middle class and that the only reason the economy was doing well was because of Obama's policies.

Because economic policies, in general, take time to see their effect. Until Trump institutes his tariffs it's going to look like there is continued economic growth because of the Biden policies. Biden spent his first couple of years dealing with the mess that Trump's policies introduced, plus you know.. a global recession and inflation due to a global pandemic.

Think about it this way. If you pass a bill that is intended to stimulate manufacturing, how long does it take for a factory to be built? Likely somewhere in the range of 3-7 years. You have to find the land, deal with zoning, public hearings, get alignment from local government and state government, RFPs for the building, source materials, build the factory. All of that stuff takes time. Look at the Flames new building as a good example of that. It's taken more than a decade to get alignment on all of those things with several starts and stops along the way.

Similarly, making cuts takes time to see the effect as capital dries up and workers are displaced.

Now, if Trump does things like mass deportation.. that's going to severely impact the labour force because small businesses that have slim margins have resorted to finding cheap labour to try and continue to be profitable. Small business owners who voted for Trump are going to have some serious regrets when they have to raise prices to compensate for higher prices on imported goods that they enhance and sell, and they're going to have a hard time finding labour to work for them.

Like, the Hatian migrants for example, they're taking jobs that NO ONE wanted to work. A strong economy has money moving around, but since Reganomics it's been concentrating into less hands.

[GirlySports]

in the final days of the campaign Trump was reaching out to Black and Latino male voters.

"You're with me, you're here legally and you're in my club. I'm protecting you from migrants. I'm protecting you from the people coming in illegally and I'm protecting your seats at the table."

And whether they are or not, it doesn't matter, it's how he makes them feel. And you can't just separate women from men. Women are the wives of men who have these seats at the table.

The Democrats campaign women against men as if there are no families.

[AltaGuy]

I haven't seen a breakdown, but if Biden's 2020 voting totals were put up against Trump's totals from 2024 state-by-state, would Biden still have won? I know he would've had more overall votes.

Dems had a pretty tough task to escape the spectre of inflation. Will be amusing if they're punished for inadvertent worldwide inflation on their watch, and then ole Donny passes a bunch of policies guaranteed to expressly cause it.

[Azure]

I meant to say he gained in every demographic across America in comparison to 2020.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

You said:

That isn't what your source is saying.

What I meant was he gained in every demographic across America in comparison to 2020.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

I meant to say he gained in every demographic across America in comparison to 2020.

Except he didn't. Do you see the blue arrows? Why is it so hard to be accurate in language?

[Azure]

I'm sorry, just to be super clear, Trump gained in almost every demographic across America.

Good enough?

[GirlySports]

He lost 65+ a bit, that's unexpected

[Azure]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854509479854809547

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

Dems had a pretty tough task to escape the spectre of inflation. Will be amusing if they're punished for inadvertent worldwide inflation on their watch, and then ole Donny passes a bunch of policies guaranteed to expressly cause it.

The thing is, there will probably be a bit of lag time getting some of these policies in place (there's no ideological momentum in favour of tariffs for example and a lot of the people in charge of implementing them will probably approach that task with more nuance than Trump would), and once they're in place in whatever form, there will be another lag before the bill comes due and the bad impacts are really felt... it should be perfectly timed for the next guy to get tagged as being responsible.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

in the final days of the campaign Trump was reaching out to Black and Latino male voters.

"You're with me, you're here legally and you're in my club. I'm protecting you from migrants. I'm protecting you from the people coming in illegally and I'm protecting your seats at the table."

And whether they are or not, it doesn't matter, it's how he makes them feel. And you can't just separate women from men. Women are the wives of men who have these seats at the table.

The Democrats campaign women against men as if there are no families.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51681840

The US Department of Justice (DOJ) announced this week that it has opened a division dedicated to denaturalisation - the process of revoking US citizenship from someone who was not born in the country.

More than 20 million US citizens are naturalised, and there has been confusion over how the newly created "Denaturalisation Section" could affect foreign-born American citizens.

Stripping citizenship remains a rare occurrence, and the department has emphasised the new team will target serious criminals.

The crime of being brown is sufficient.

[bizaro86]

If you told me before this campaign "Trump will win because of big swings in his direction among young people, Hispanics, and Asians, big enough to offset a loss in votes among the elderly" I would have thought you were certifiable.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

I'm sorry, just to be super clear, Trump gained in almost every demographic across America.

Good enough?

Yes, next time just start with that.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

If you told me before this campaign "Trump will win because of big swings in his direction among young people, Hispanics, and Asians, big enough to offset a loss in votes among the elderly" I would have thought you were certifiable.

Yup.

Just goes to show how much the Democrats screwed up with their message and with Harris.

And how much it was all lapped up by people not capable of objectively looking at whether or not Harris was a good candidate.

Literally every sign pointed in this direction and the denial just became stronger as time went on.

[InternationalVillager]

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[KootenayFlamesFan]

I really don't know how the Dems will get their message/brainwash Americans by next election when Republicans are doing it so well with no end in sight.

Twitter, Joe Rogan, Facebook, Fox News, etc...........the right has a massive edge in misinformation/conspiracies/lies that reach a huge audience. That's tough to beat, and will be again in 2028.