Yeah. AWD would have been nice but as long as I've got a good set of winters it's not a deal breaker for me. I've always had FWD before so no big change for me.
Drove all around the city this afternoon doing errands and came back home with ~70% of the battery.
Nice. All electric on your trip or some gas? We have a front wheel drive car for the kids and, agree, good winters make it totally fine.
Nice. All electric on your trip or some gas? We have a front wheel drive car for the kids and, agree, good winters make it totally fine.
you should really try and run the first 2000-3000 km of that new little PHEV in HEV mode - break the ICE motor in somewhat before you go hardcore electric mode
In 2019, we bought a plug-in hybrid minivan. Because we drive a fair bit I thought it may be with it to buy a level 2 charger so we could use electric only driving more as we were draining the battery more than once a week. A purchase this big to save a few dollars in driving was not really a sound financial investment, but I had planned to go all EV so I thought it was a purchase for the future.
One big issue if you have multiple EVs is that if you want multiple level 2 charges you'd need multiple 60 amp lines/breakers in your panel. Having smart chargers that you could adjust the amperage would mean you could use 2 on one circuit and just lower the amps to 25 each or so. There was a JuiceBox 40 smart charger for $900 that fit perfectly. Great app, ability to do lots of customization and if you have 2 of them, you could do dynamic power sharing for a single 60 amp circuit.
We moved to a new home in 2020 and it took me until I bought my f150 lightning about a month ago to get the work done to install it. Super frustrating because the company who made Juicebox had been purchased and changed the server the Juicebox would communicate with so I was left with a dumb charger as it couldn't communicate with the cloud. Finally about 2 weeks ago I got a computer wizard friend and their technical support I got it up and running. Success!
Now this:
Spoiler!
So basically, you've finally got around to installing a dumb charger that was smart for two weeks.
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So, I've been thinking about Musk's "Robotaxi" event.
Essentially he gave a vaguely soonish timeframe for full self driving. The big win is that customers can just buy a fleet of these things and roll in the dough. Hire it out and make bank!
I have a few questions on how this is supposed to work.
1) How will it be different than Uber? Yes there's no person in the vehicle, but will that lower the cost enough to be worth it while still being high enough to allow profit on an autonomous vehicle?
2) All Tesla's that have been sold to this point were promised to have Full Self Driving for a decade now. Is that not true anymore? We need these new gull winged monstrosities to do it? What was all that $12,000 surcharge all these people paid for then?
3) If all I need is some money to purchase a "Robotaxi", why do they need my money? Why wouldn't Tesla just do it themselves? They have infinitely more capital than I do, so what's my money needed for? I mean, they own the booking software/access, the driving/navigation software, so what does my ownership add here?
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So, I've been thinking about Musk's "Robotaxi" event.
Essentially he gave a vaguely soonish timeframe for full self driving. The big win is that customers can just buy a fleet of these things and roll in the dough. Hire it out and make bank!
I have a few questions on how this is supposed to work.
1) How will it be different than Uber?
Uber exists.
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First off, self driving Teslas are still a figment of Musk's imagination. They aren't coming any time soon.
1) I think Musk said rides would be super cheap, so I assume they would aim to undercut Uber and taxis.
2)Hahaha. Turns out HW3(Hardware 3) will probably never be capable(Musk has been sloooowly admitting this) and that's what is in the vast majority of Teslas. They will never be more than a level 2 driver assistance system because the redundant CPU is no longer redundant, as it is needed for more processing power now. I wouldn't worry too much about what this car looks like, though I'm going to guess this will morph into the Model 2 once they realize they need a new model and FSD is still not working.
Fun fact, the $12k ,or 8, or 15, or 5, or 6, or whatever it was when people payed is "deferred revenue" that they roll into quarters when they release a feature they think qualifies as allowing them to book those dollars. They just did it this quarter when they released ASS(Actual Smart Summon) which I guess is supposed to be a working version of Smart Summon that only worked with ultrasonic sensors that Musk removed to save $50 per car. I guess they think allowing owners to crash their vehicles into things in parking lots qualifies as a success?
3)Careful asking questions, you are getting close to the truth. See, this way Tesla can sell a vehicle, not have to worry about service, cleaning damage etc, an still make rent from their cut in the app. It's way better not to own and have to manage all those assets. Let some other sucker run a fleet of 50 of them, deal with the headaches and cost, and Tesla still gets to cash in on every ride.
Reality is this was all a side show to keep the fantasy stock price high and distract from the fact that they have a tired lineup, the Deplorean burned through the reservation list in 8 months, a semi that is basically still in testing, a non-existent roadster they took $50k deposits for in 2017, and nothing new in the pipe.
Isn't self-driving Tesla already existed for a while? It's only the law won't allow driverless vechiles on the street..
No, Tesla FSD requires a driver in the seat due to its capabilities, not because of any law. Waymo has legal self-driving cars, but that's because they only work in very specific locations where they've ensured that they can operate safely. As a result, they're willing to be liable if something goes wrong. Teslas currently aren't remotely safe enough to act as self-driving cars without a driver present, nor is the company willing to cover any kind of liability if their system injures or kills someone.
Isn't self-driving Tesla already existed for a while? It's only the law won't allow driverless vechiles on the street..
I'd invite you to spend $70k on a car, engage self driving, and tie your hands behind your back.
The reality is, yes, they can kinda drive. Sometimes they drive well enough to lull you into a false sense of security for long enough you trust it, just before it tries to kill you. Driving isn't all that hard, we teach 14 year olds how to do it. Driving in a safe, predictable manner and being able to handle all edge cases(which are really infinite) for billions of miles is not easy. It's very hard without a thinking reasoning brain. FSD is trained on user driving data, which helps it drive more naturally, but also means it can only learn; 1) from situations other drivers encounter and 2) from those situations which are then set aside and labeled and fed into the model. When it encounters something it doesn't recognize(and it's flagged), that then gets fed back into the model, so the model learns one more thing. But because edge cases are infinite and the model can't reason, well...that's where it starts to become impossible(using their current setup).
Currently they are no good if the cameras are dirty. They also can't do things like read road signs, or even stop for a school bus. They are a looooong way from existing as Musk claims, just as they were 8 years ago when he was wrong then, too.
So, I've been thinking about Musk's "Robotaxi" event.
Essentially he gave a vaguely soonish timeframe for full self driving. The big win is that customers can just buy a fleet of these things and roll in the dough. Hire it out and make bank!
I have a few questions on how this is supposed to work.
1) How will it be different than Uber? Yes there's no person in the vehicle, but will that lower the cost enough to be worth it while still being high enough to allow profit on an autonomous vehicle?
2) All Tesla's that have been sold to this point were promised to have Full Self Driving for a decade now. Is that not true anymore? We need these new gull winged monstrosities to do it? What was all that $12,000 surcharge all these people paid for then?
3) If all I need is some money to purchase a "Robotaxi", why do they need my money? Why wouldn't Tesla just do it themselves? They have infinitely more capital than I do, so what's my money needed for? I mean, they own the booking software/access, the driving/navigation software, so what does my ownership add here?
It honestly basically seems like the idea of a timeshare for a car. It's intended to sit squarely in between Uber/Taxi and Turo/car rentals in the same way a traditional time share sits between hotels and Air Bnb.
If full purchase, then use whenever you want, then toss it back in the pool for the periods you're not interested in using for yourself.
Others can borrow for the durations they want without full commitment depending on what is available. Because the owner doesn't have to be involved directly in the lending of the vehicle, it's slightly different than Turo/Uber. But I also assume that due to the minimum standard of tech/lack f human that would be required in each Tesla for this to work, it offers a something slightly different than the other options in a way that would be hard for those options to encroach upon?
Here's a good example if it being nowhere near ready to operate without a human. Yes, a human may also have plowed into the deer, but also would have, you know, stopped. If this had been a pedestrian in a city the outcome is obviously not just a "oops".
I drive a Tesla and for the most part love it. Suits my needs for the commute and get free charging at work. That said the FSD system is really incomplete. I've had the free month trials and beyond being gimmicky the whole thing sucks. I would describe it as a really nervous driver who is scared all the time. I couldn't imagine the car being driver less with human drivers all round especially since human drivers seem to be becoming more aggressive on the roads. I live in the lower mainland BC
The summon is actually cool but more of a party trick
After contemplating for what felt like years (was actually months) I just dove in head first. Single vehicle household with solar panels now rocking full electric vehicle. Right before winter hits, so trial by fire for sure!
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