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Old 09-21-2024, 11:02 AM   #2161
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Jeez this guy shouldn't be on YouTube. Freaky eyes and weird delivery.

It's pretty selective reading of the sales figures.

Germany is way down to last year, yes. But August last year saw an absolutely giant jump in sales due to the expiring subsidy and the subsequent rush to conclude sales before the subsidy expired. Overall it's just fairly flat (only 1.5% down if adjusting). And plug in hybrid sales plummeted, not increasing there. Then you have to look at overall vehicle sales down 28% due to macro economic factors and you can see the picture isn't really anti EV.

Then take California in his example. Yes EV sales are trending slightly down in the state, but it's not maybe what it seems. Tesla is waaay down and almost every other manufacturer's EV sales are up. Polling in California shows Musk has managed to massively kill Tesla's brand appeal. Considering Tesla is responsible for way more than half of EV sales, that seems to be an issue more than people not wanting EVs. Overall EV sales in the US increased again this year.

In Canada, EV sales have increased yet again to a 13% market share. There's no sign of slowing here. In Alberta it's below 5% (2.5% was the only number I could find but may be a bit old) so perhaps people aren't seeing it there.

China is seeing massive growth, but I don't see that being contained to China forever. They're now over 50% of new sales having a plug and full battery electric sales are growing faster than phevs. They'll sell those cheap EVs elsewhere.

As for brands, Hyundai is seeing massive growth in it's EV sales, Ford is seeing a drop in overall vehicle sales but high double digit increases in EV sales. GM is about to see sales of it's EV fleet increase as well with two new trucks and the Equinox/Blazer now being EV.

There's certainly a decrease in growth, but it's still very much growing almost everywhere. As prices continue to come down and familiarity grows, that trend will only increase. We're still early on in this.

Seriously we see this, then declare EV sales may be dead??? That's hilariously click baity


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Old 09-21-2024, 11:04 AM   #2162
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EV batteries are likely to outlive vehicles they’re in, finds latest Geotab data Batteries

Telematics provider’s new research finds batteries degrade just 1.8 per cent per year on average — meaning EV batteries can typically last more than 20 years

https://electricautonomy.ca/ev-suppl...y-geotab-data/

Comment: it always seems to take up to a decade for any new technology to become "proven"
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Old 09-21-2024, 11:20 AM   #2163
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EV batteries are likely to outlive vehicles they’re in, finds latest Geotab data Batteries

Telematics provider’s new research finds batteries degrade just 1.8 per cent per year on average — meaning EV batteries can typically last more than 20 years

https://electricautonomy.ca/ev-suppl...y-geotab-data/

Comment: it always seems to take up to a decade for any new technology to become "proven"
Saw a funny headline about that "New research shows your EV's battery will last longer than your marriage"
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Not surprised about Hyundai's EVs, they're one of the few manufacturers that have them actually available and at a reasonable price.
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Old 09-22-2024, 11:55 AM   #2165
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600,000 km / 15 yr warranty to 85 capacity

https://batteryindustry.tech/catl-st...last-15-years/
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600,000 km / 15 yr warranty to 85 capacity

https://batteryindustry.tech/catl-st...last-15-years/
And it's the world's largest battery maker. They've got the data to show their bet is solid. They make about 40 of all EV batteries too
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Old 09-23-2024, 10:44 AM   #2167
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600,000 km / 15 yr warranty to 85 capacity

https://batteryindustry.tech/catl-st...last-15-years/
Point stands, but 600,000 miles, not km. That's around 965,000 km.
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Had a couple hours to waste before I had to be at the airport, so I stopped by the Rivian dealer in Burnaby, and took a R1T for a test drive. Sat in an R1S.

Nice vehicles. If only they weren’t so far out of my price range.
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The R2 looks to be significantly cheaper (maybe $55k)

https://stories.rivian.com/meet-r2-and-r3
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The R2 looks to be significantly cheaper (maybe $55k)

https://stories.rivian.com/meet-r2-and-r3
Only starting to build them in 2026 I think.
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Old 09-26-2024, 08:49 AM   #2171
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Only starting to build them in 2026 I think.
Yes, and I'll bet my house the starting price goes up by then
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Just brought home a brand new PHEV.

Had my eyes on a Rav 4 Prime but they are a unicorn that essentially does not exist.
Settled for a brand new Ford Escape PHEV. Can almost buy 2 of em compared to what dealers are selling Primes at.

Love that even when the battery is dead it somehow sips even less fuel than my Honda Fit.
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Just brought home a brand new PHEV.

Had my eyes on a Rav 4 Prime but they are a unicorn that essentially does not exist.
Settled for a brand new Ford Escape PHEV. Can almost buy 2 of em compared to what dealers are selling Primes at.

Love that even when the battery is dead it somehow sips even less fuel than my Honda Fit.
I'm getting around 4.0L/100km with my Outlander PHEV, and that's with quite a bit of highway driving. If you look at the energy flow, the ICE will charge the battery and sometimes power the wheels. For some reason it means that the actual fuel consumption is very, very low. It's breaking the laws of physics!
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Regen braking is probably responsible for most of the extra range. Instead of turning it into heat through friction, you get free electrons.
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Just brought home a brand new PHEV.



Had my eyes on a Rav 4 Prime but they are a unicorn that essentially does not exist.

Settled for a brand new Ford Escape PHEV. Can almost buy 2 of em compared to what dealers are selling Primes at.



Love that even when the battery is dead it somehow sips even less fuel than my Honda Fit.
If Ford would make this AWD instead of just fwd I'd have one already. The only way to get the same vehicle on AWD is to buy the Lincoln version which is 20 grand more.

Oh well. Guess I'll wait for the Bronco phev, if it ever comes.
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For the PHEVs, just make sure you're running a full charge if you go driving in the mountains. My Santa Fe PHEV would maintain about 25% battery at all times for acceleration and whatnot during normal driving, but going up Kootenay pass used that 25% in probably the first 10 minutes. Losing the electric engine made it so I didn't even have the power to go the speed limit up the rest of the pass.

On the flip side I did get a 100% recharge coming down the pass in about 35mins
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So a buyer beware story....


In 2019, we bought a plug-in hybrid minivan. Because we drive a fair bit I thought it may be with it to buy a level 2 charger so we could use electric only driving more as we were draining the battery more than once a week. A purchase this big to save a few dollars in driving was not really a sound financial investment, but I had planned to go all EV so I thought it was a purchase for the future.

One big issue if you have multiple EVs is that if you want multiple level 2 charges you'd need multiple 60 amp lines/breakers in your panel. Having smart chargers that you could adjust the amperage would mean you could use 2 on one circuit and just lower the amps to 25 each or so. There was a JuiceBox 40 smart charger for $900 that fit perfectly. Great app, ability to do lots of customization and if you have 2 of them, you could do dynamic power sharing for a single 60 amp circuit.

We moved to a new home in 2020 and it took me until I bought my f150 lightning about a month ago to get the work done to install it. Super frustrating because the company who made Juicebox had been purchased and changed the server the Juicebox would communicate with so I was left with a dumb charger as it couldn't communicate with the cloud. Finally about 2 weeks ago I got a computer wizard friend and their technical support I got it up and running. Success!

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For the PHEVs, just make sure you're running a full charge if you go driving in the mountains. My Santa Fe PHEV would maintain about 25% battery at all times for acceleration and whatnot during normal driving, but going up Kootenay pass used that 25% in probably the first 10 minutes. Losing the electric engine made it so I didn't even have the power to go the speed limit up the rest of the pass.

On the flip side I did get a 100% recharge coming down the pass in about 35mins
It's mind blowing how much engine braking can charge. Going down the hill on Stoney Trail by OBCR gives me about 2 kms.
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It's mind blowing how much engine braking can charge. Going down the hill on Stoney Trail by OBCR gives me about 2 kms.
That's why I think we should have mandate for trucks and big SUV's, really any vehicle over a certain weight to have a hybrid system that can regen. It seems like such an easy win for pickups, and for all the people who use them for commuting vehicles in city driving, would have a massive benefit on fuel use. It matters less in smaller lighter vehicles.
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If Ford would make this AWD instead of just fwd I'd have one already. The only way to get the same vehicle on AWD is to buy the Lincoln version which is 20 grand more.

Oh well. Guess I'll wait for the Bronco phev, if it ever comes.
Yeah. AWD would have been nice but as long as I've got a good set of winters it's not a deal breaker for me. I've always had FWD before so no big change for me.
Drove all around the city this afternoon doing errands and came back home with ~70% of the battery.

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