2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[SuperMatt18]

For the record I am supportive of the Flames going after Cozens - but I think Andersson 1 for 1 would be an overpayment based on Cozens contract and performance.

Sabres fans don't speak very highly of Cozens anymore based on his play last season and to start this season, so it's not just the 13 game start.

The risk of acquiring him and his contract based on his most recent performance have to be factored into the cost.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The Lindholm trade is a good comparison.

And if the Flames traded Hamilton for Lindholm 1 for 1 that would have been seen as a bad trade at the time.

Dougie was 24/25 when he was traded. Rasmus is 28/29.
Plus as mentioned cozens has put up better numbers then linsholm had at the point.

I think 1 for 1 is pretty close.

The closest equivalent of that trade would probably be something like

Pospisil + rasmus + decent prospect (suniev?) or byram + cozens

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Hamilton was a 23 year old potential superstar dman. Rasmus is good and off to a great start, but he is 30 soon and probably gets paid a contract that we won't want on the books.

It's not a good comparison, and Cozens is worth more than Rasmus and his contract is not a boat anchor because he is off to a terrible 13 game start.

If we can get Cozens for anyone that isn't in the long term plans, sign me up. Buffalo probably isn't running him out of town either though.

No Hamilton was a 25 year old who was being dealt to this third team at that age while Lindholm was a 23 year old RFA looking for the type of contract he signed with the Flames so roughly $5M for 6 years and was a consistent 0.5ppg player who was strong defensively. Hamilton made $5.75M with 3 years left at the time of the deal.

Andersson is very recently 28 and only has 1.75 years left at $4.55M but Cozens comes with a bloated contract and one year with more than 50pts which right now seems more like an outlier. He has 7 years at $7.1M left on his deal and turns 24 in 3 months

[Mr.Coffee]

1 for 1 is quite a bad trade for Calgary.

[SuperMatt18]

This thread is actually a good indication of why Cozens is probably hard to move.

It's a tough negotiation because Buffalo likely still wants the value of a former top 10 pick that has a 30 goal and 68 point season to his name, but the other teams are looking at him as a guy that's looking more like a 50 point 2nd line center that has some risk associated with him due to his 7 year contract at $7.1M per season.

For me personally I want the Flames to acquire him in the scenario where the Sabres are selling a bit low because they want to clear his contract, if they have to pay closer to the value of the former top 10 pick that's a 30 goal scorer while eating the risk of that contract then I want nothing to do with that trade.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

No Hamilton was a 25 year old who was being dealt to this third team at that age while Lindholm was a 23 year old RFA looking for the type of contract he signed with the Flames so roughly $5M for 6 years and was a consistent 0.5ppg player who was strong defensively. Hamilton made $5.75M with 3 years left at the time of the deal.

Andersson is very recently 28 and only has 1.75 years left at $4.55M but Cozens comes with a bloated contract and one year with more than 50pts which right now seems more like an outlier. He has 7 years at $7.1M left on his deal and turns 24 in 3 months

Contract talks in Carolina weren't going well with Lindholm and that played a part in the trade.

Kadri is off to a terrible start, minus 10 and 7 points. Some think he is worth a 1st despite being in his mid 30s yet Cozens is a boat anchor contract at 23. Rasmus is not getting us Cozens, if he does Conroy is the man and I personally would be very excited.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Contract talks in Carolina weren't going well with Lindholm and that played a part in the trade.

Kadri is off to a terrible start, minus 10 and 7 points. Some think he is worth a 1st despite being in his mid 30s yet Cozens is a boat anchor contract at 23. Rasmus is not getting us Cozens, if he does Conroy is the man and I personally would be very excited.

Kadri has a 100 point season and a dominant playoffs under his recent belt though. Teams have had success with ex Flames. Kadri easily gets a first from a playoff team. His terrible start with more than double the points of Cozens

[Monahammer]

Rasmus + Blake Coleman + Rocket Rory Kerins for Cozens + Byram

[Mr.Coffee]

I think I’d consider a trade of Kadri for Cozens, but I would ask Buffalo to add a bit.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Kadri has a 100 point season and a dominant playoffs under his recent belt though. Teams have had success with ex Flames. Kadri easily gets a first from a playoff team. His terrible start with more than double the points of Cozens

Great, he might worth a 1st but if he is, it laughable that Cozens is a boat anchor of a contract and has negative trade value.

I'm sure Buffalo fans or fans of any team would laugh that Flames fans think Kadri gets a 1st right now too. At least the ones that overreact to a slow start.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Hamilton was a 23 year old potential superstar dman. Rasmus is good and off to a great start, but he is 30 soon and probably gets paid a contract that we won't want on the books.

It's not a good comparison, and Cozens is worth more than Rasmus and his contract is not a boat anchor because he is off to a terrible 13 game start.

If we can get Cozens for anyone that isn't in the long term plans, sign me up. Buffalo probably isn't running him out of town either though.

Dougie Hamilton was traded when he was 25 years old and had some big defensive defensives in his game.

Cozens isn't some star looking to pop as stated by SuperMatt, his metrics show he sucks and is absolutely a boat anchor of a contract if he keeps up his trajectory after a career year 2 years ago.

Andersson is a proven commodity in the league. Flames are the one taking the risk.

Buffalo adds to any deal to dump that contract. He is a 3-point player at the moment.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Dougie Hamilton was traded when he was 25 years old and had some big defensive defensives in his game.

Cozens isn't some star looking to pop as stated by SuperMatt, his metrics show he sucks and is absolutely a boat anchor of a contract if he keeps up his trajectory after a career year 2 years ago.

Andersson is a proven commodity in the league. Flames are the one taking the risk.

Buffalo adds to any deal to dump that contract. He is a 3-point player at the moment.

Same things were said about Necas, or even Lundell. 40-point players or players trending in the wrong direction and now are both players that are too good to be traded. Stats tell what the player did in the past, and also should be used carefully in small sample sizes.

Cozens is not a boat anchor contract and if we can add him for Rasmus, take it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Same things were said about Necas, or even Lundell. 40-point players or players trending in the wrong direction and now are both players that are too good to be traded. Stats tell what the player did in the past, and also should be used carefully in small sample sizes.

Cozens is not a boat anchor contract and if we can add him for Rasmus, take it.

NEcas got a bridge deal because the Hurricanes didn't believe in him and no one wanted to pay the price to get him.

Lundell was never available so not sure what he has to do with anything.

And those players likely have better metrics showing it could be deployment and PDO. Lundell played up the lineup while Barkov was injured.

When a team already has 7M and 10.5M committed to underperforming players, you don't go out and add another underperforming boat anchor when you are rebuilding.

Lundell also showed progression, while Cozens went backwards.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Contract talks in Carolina weren't going well with Lindholm and that played a part in the trade.

Kadri is off to a terrible start, minus 10 and 7 points. Some think he is worth a 1st despite being in his mid 30s yet Cozens is a boat anchor contract at 23. Rasmus is not getting us Cozens, if he does Conroy is the man and I personally would be very excited.

Kadri maybe would have gotten a 1st in the offseason coming off a strong season and due to a 3 season stretch where he averaged 76 points and 28 goals per 82 games and won a cup.

I don't think Kadri would return a 1st in a mid-season trade right now based on his start and due to it being an in-season trade. And I doubt he'd get a first next off-season either even if he has a good season due to his age.

I think people underestimate how hard it would be right now for most teams to fit in a guy with a $7M cap hit.

And I think that adds to the complexity for Buffalo right now.

If you're worried about Cozens play and that contract (and there are rumours the Sabres are worried about it) then you probably want to move him sooner rather than wait until next offseason but it limits your market since most teams don't have the cap to fit $7M in right now.

And the risk is if you wait until the offseason, and his play doesn't improve, then you're potentially moving a player with a $7M contract coming off back to back 47 and 40 point seasons or something (he's on pace for 25 points right now - so 40 is actually an improvement) and that's going to be a tough contract to move.

Sabres probably don't want to "sell low" but I don't think anybody is going to pay top value for Cozens right now.

To me right now Cozens is probably worth a 1st round pick, I think the NJD 1st would be a pretty fair value for him.

And to me Andersson is worth more than a first, so Andersson for Cozens 1 for 1 would be an overpayment.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

NEcas got a bridge deal because the Hurricanes didn't believe in him and no one wanted to pay the price to get him.

Lundell was never available so not sure what he has to do with anything.

And those players likely have better metrics showing it could be deployment and PDO. Lundell played up the lineup while Barkov was injured.

When a team already has 7M and 10.5M committed to underperforming players, you don't go out and add another underperforming boat anchor when you are rebuilding.

Lundell also showed progression, while Cozens went backwards.

I bring up Lundell and Necas because you and others made comments that these guys were 40 point players and 3rd line centers at best. Stat suggested that was correct at the time and these 2 may never have been available but there were rumors the Flames were in on them and that led to the discussions.

Looking back, I wanted both if they were available and they are proving the stat wrong, Cozens will too. That is how buying low works, Conroy has been great at it so far.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I bring up Lundell and Necas because you and others made comments that these guys were 40 point players and 3rd line centers at best. Stat suggested that was correct at the time and these 2 may never have been available but there were rumors the Flames were in on them and that led to the discussions.

Looking back, I wanted both if they were available and they are proving the stat wrong, Cozens will too. That is how buying low works, Conroy has been great at it so far.

Necas is a winger, and Lundell plays on the 3rd line.

Andersson is not buying low on Cozens it's an overpayment.

[Royle9]

Kadri isn’t leaving Calgary.
Let alone for Buffalo, he’s content building what we’ve got going on and loves it here.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Kadri maybe would have gotten a 1st in the offseason coming off a strong season and due to a 3 season stretch where he averaged 76 points and 28 goals per 82 games and won a cup.

I don't think Kadri would return a 1st in a mid-season trade right now based on his start and due to it being an in-season trade. And I doubt he'd get a first next off-season either even if he has a good season due to his age.

I think people underestimate how hard it would be right now for most teams to fit in a guy with a $7M cap hit.

And I think that adds to the complexity for Buffalo right now.

If you're worried about Cozens play and that contract (and there are rumours the Sabres are worried about it) then you probably want to move him sooner rather than wait until next offseason but it limits your market since most teams don't have the cap to fit $7M in right now.

And the risk is if you wait until the offseason, and his play doesn't improve, then you're potentially moving a player with a $7M contract coming off back to back 47 and 40 point seasons or something (he's on pace for 25 points right now - so 40 is actually an improvement) and that's going to be a tough contract to move.

I bring up Kadri as it was something I said in the summer about selling high on him. It's easy to wait when things are going well and then something changes, players have bad years, and you are stuck.

I would have traded him in the off season for less than a 1st and moved on if the opportunity was there. Maybe it wasn't and Conroy had no choice.

Lots of season left, Kadri can still get rolling too

Cozens is a buy low candidate, anyone that is usually has stats that say stay away. If he was lighting it up or just getting unlucky Buffalo wouldn't move him. Change of scenery could help too

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Necas is a winger, and Lundell plays on the 3rd line.

Andersson is not buying low on Cozens it's an overpayment.

Necas also has 20 points in 11 games...only needs 20 in his last 71 to get that 40.

Lundell is a PPG 3rd liner right now too. 4 points on the PP due to injuries, but he probably gets 2nd line here.

Your opinion of Cozens and Wright lines up with these 2 from a couple months ago.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Necas also has 20 points in 11 games...only needs 20 in his last 71 to get that 40.

Lundell is a PPG 3rd liner right now too. 4 points on the PP due to injuries, but he probably gets 2nd line here.

Your opinion of Cozens and Wright lines up with these 2 from a couple months ago.

Shane Wright who has proven nothing in the NHL and passed over by 3 times after being ranked #1?

But yeah you are right. We should just forget about the rebuild and start sending picks and assets for our version of Kirby Dach and Alex Newhook. We saw how well they looked last night.

Stars!