2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Bonded]

I am not sure Cozens will end up any better than Kotkaniemi

[Geeoff]

I think that Cozens could be a good gamble for a team in a different situation from the Flames. 2nd line centre is a luxury item for a team that's already got other pieces in place.

[Vinny01]

I didn’t realize Cozens has fallen off so much. I would still be open to the Flames acquiring him but not with Rasmus going the other way unless there is a significant add

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I hear you, but I feel like Adams is ripe for a hail mary we need to make the playoffs NOW type trade to try and save his job.

I think he is too but I don’t see them giving up a center without another center coming back if they want to make the playoffs this year. Don’t think Kadri would waive for Buffalo but you never know. If Kadri was willing to waive his NTC, maybe something like this:

To Calgary:

Cozens

To Buffalo:

Kadri
Pelletier
New Jersey’s 2025 1st round pick

Buffalo gets the better center (at least currently) in Kadri. Adams would hope this acts as a shake up of the team. Sucks for Calgary to give up a 1st round pick but that’s the cost to get out of the Kadri contract and to get a 23 year old center.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I think he is too but I don’t see them giving up a center without another center coming back if they want to make the playoffs this year. Don’t think Kadri would waive for Buffalo but you never know. If Kadri was willing to waive his NTC, maybe something like this:

To Calgary:

Cozens

To Buffalo:

Kadri
Pelletier
New Jersey’s 2025 1st round pick

Buffalo gets the better center (at least currently) in Kadri. Adams would hope this acts as a shake up of the team. Sucks for Calgary to give up a 1st round pick but that’s the cost to get out of the Kadri contract and to get a 23 year old center.

Kadri is the better player, Flames are adding way too much.

[Harry Lime]

Kadri has said that he has no interest in waiving his no trade.

If you take the Rasmus and Popesil ask at face value, I think that the return would have to lean Cozens, and maybe somebody like Noah Ostlund, who sits behind Kulich and Helenius on the depth chart.

That much going from Calgary to Buffalo should at the very least offer up a couple of long term solutions for Calgary up the middle. Hell, throw in Krebs for Rooney, too. One stop shop.

[SuperMatt18]

I would take out Pospisil from that.

Andersson for Cozens + Ostlund/Kulich/Rosen/2025 1st

That's probably fair to me - Cozens contract is a negative to his value and you have to add to him to get Andersson IMO. If they want a center back they can have Rooney.

[Bonded]

The issue with Buffalo is that they are probably on anybody’s NTC list. Can’t see Kadri or Andersson waiving to go there.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The issue with Buffalo is that they are probably on anybody’s NTC list. Can’t see Kadri or Andersson waiving to go there.

Maybe - Andersson only has a 6 team NTC.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I would take out Pospisil from that.

Andersson for Cozens + Ostlund/Kulich/Rosen/2025 1st

That's probably fair to me - Cozens contract is a negative to his value and you have to add to him to get Andersson IMO. If they want a center back they can have Rooney.

This is probably slanted way too much in the Flames favor but with how Cozens has played maybe it is in the realm?

To Buffalo: Andersson+Pospisil+Rooney
To Calgary: Cozens+Byram+Krebs

Seems like a lot from Buffalo maybe the flames kick in a pick? All comes down to the value that Cozens has is he a negative asset or not?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe - Andersson only has a 6 team NTC.

I’d bet Buffalo is on it. One of the least desirable NHL cities and they have the longest playoff drought and struggling to turn the corner.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If we are taking on that albatross contract, they better be attaching a 1st to it. Age doesn't matter. Cozens has shown he can't carry a line or produce unless everyone else is having career years.

[traptor]

No way we get cozens + for Anderson.


1 for 1 is probably close to fair.

Anderson is the better player (right now) but cozens is younger
and locked up for longer.


But I don't really know if Anderson is what they need.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Well, they can't have our top scoring dman on a cheap deal for a 3-point C on a 7.1 deal with 7 years left.

[Harry Lime]

Buffalo wanting Anderson isn't the issue. The fans have been floating a long term Rasmus and Rasmus pairing all summer. I agree that would be dominant in the east.

Originally Posted by traptor

No way we get cozens + for Anderson.


1 for 1 is probably close to fair.

Anderson is the better player (right now) but cozens is younger
and locked up for longer.


But I don't really know if Anderson is what they need.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by traptor

No way we get cozens + for Anderson.


1 for 1 is probably close to fair.

Anderson is the better player (right now) but cozens is younger
and locked up for longer.


But I don't really know if Anderson is what they need.

Locked up for longer only adds value to a player if it's a fair deal.

Even if you're favorable to Cozens and look at the last 3 seasons which includes his career season:

5v5:
GP: 173
Goals: 29
Assists: 38
Points: 67

Corsi For Relative: -2.18
xGF Relative: 0.64
Goals For Relative: -2.72

Corsi For: 49.5%
xGF: 49.35%
GF: 48.5%

8.65% Shooting
.911 Save Percentage
.998 PDO

All Situations:

GP: 173
G: 50
G/GP: 0.29
P: 119
P/GP: 0.69

All of those numbers over the past 3 seasons are pretty average.

His underlying stats don't pop, his production isn't hampered by some shooting percentage unluckyness, and he's averaged 24 goals and 57 points per 82 over the last 2 seasons and change.

So that contract actually represents a risk to the Flames, not a benefit, because if he doesn't improve on what he's been the past couple seasons then $7.1M is actually too much money for him.

If they want futures then I'd consider the NJD 1st Round Pick in a 1 for 1 deal for him, but if they want Andersson then the Sabres have to add another high value piece.

Unfortunately for Sabres fans it looks like they bet on the wrong young center and should have kept Mittelstadt and moved Cozens when making that decision.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Locked up for longer only adds value to a player if it's a fair deal.

Even if you're favorable to Cozens and look at the last 3 seasons which includes his career season:

5v5:
GP: 173
Goals: 29
Assists: 38
Points: 67

Corsi For Relative: -2.18
xGF Relative: 0.64
Goals For Relative: -2.72

Corsi For: 49.5%
xGF: 49.35%
GF: 48.5%

8.65% Shooting
.911 Save Percentage
.998 PDO

All Situations:

GP: 173
G: 50
G/GP: 0.29
P: 119
P/GP: 0.69

All of those numbers over the past 3 seasons are pretty average.

His underlying stats don't pop, his production isn't hampered by some shooting percentage unluckyness, and he's averaged 24 goals and 57 points per 82 over the last 2 seasons and change.

So that contract actually represents a risk to the Flames, not a benefit, because if he doesn't improve on what he's been the past couple seasons then $7.1M is actually too much money for him.

If they want futures then I'd consider the NJD 1st Round Pick in a 1 for 1 deal for him, but if they want Andersson then the Sabres have to add another high value piece.

Unfortunately for Sabres fans it looks like they bet on the wrong young center and should have kept Mittelstadt and moved Cozens when making that decision.

Hes 23.. and on one of the worst franchises in the NHL.
He's also shooting at like 2.8% so far this year, which is not sustainable.

For reference he's way further ahead the lindholm was at this point in his career.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by traptor

Hes 23.. and on one of the worst franchises in the NHL.
He's also shooting at like 2.8% so far this year, which is not sustainable.

For reference he's way further ahead the lindholm was at this point in his career.

The Lindholm trade is a good comparison.

And if the Flames traded Hamilton for Lindholm 1 for 1 that would have been seen as a bad trade at the time.

[CliffFletcher]

23 year old #2Cs with size rarely come available in trades. If BUF put him the market (something they would only do if they became truly desperate), there would be a lot more teams besides the Flames interested.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The Lindholm trade is a good comparison.

And if the Flames traded Hamilton for Lindholm 1 for 1 that would have been seen as a bad trade at the time.

Hamilton was a 23 year old potential superstar dman. Rasmus is good and off to a great start, but he is 30 soon and probably gets paid a contract that we won't want on the books.

It's not a good comparison, and Cozens is worth more than Rasmus and his contract is not a boat anchor because he is off to a terrible 13 game start.

If we can get Cozens for anyone that isn't in the long term plans, sign me up. Buffalo probably isn't running him out of town either though.