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[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Looking at CHD Youtube channel it appears it's just clips, not fully episodes. I can't find the exact Spotify numbers, it appears JRE is top dog but I don't know where you're getting the huge difference thing from.

Doing a quick search shows that CHD has ranked higher than the JRE at various points and since Spotify doesn't release their exact metrics I, again, don't know where you're getting the "huge difference" from.

Apple podcasts shows JRE as #1 & CHD as #12.
Your point stands about Harris potentially getting a better target audience with CHD but I don't think their numbers are anywhere near Rogan.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Apple podcast is just one place. CHD and Rogan got exclusive deals with Spotify for a lot of money until recently.

The people who hate CHD are the incels and guys who hate the girls they can’t get. Those are the same ones who listen to Rogan.

CHD has been around for a while. It was originally Sofia and Alex until they beefed.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Most Rogan listeners are already voting for Trump, but there are undoubtedly quite a number of people who barely pay attention to politics who also listen to Rogan's show. I think Trump endeared himself to many of them, unfortunately. Rogan sat there for 3 hours and licked Trump boots and didn't push back on any of his lies. He sat there and stroked Trump's mushroom on a lot of bull#### like Trump being a victim of "hoaxes", "unfair investigations", and "coordinated media attacks".



People like you and I know better than to fall for Trump's facade and fake niceness. But tens of millions of Americans fall for it every day, and my worry is that many undecided voters who pay little to no attention to politics will fall for it.



I'm hoping you are correct. But Trump's Rogan interview undoubtedly increased his chances of winning this election. Harris should VERY seriously considering going on there to talk about her economic plans, explain why her proposals would help the American people, and contrast them to Trump's tax cuts for the rich and new tariffs making things more expensive for the middle class and poor. And of course, talk about Trump's assault on women's reproductive rights. When the border is brought up, she needs to keep mentioning the very strong border bill that Trump blocked.

I watch Rogan's youtube channel all the time but I stay away from most of the pollical and conspiracy junk, but he often has some really good science people on, last weeks Brian Cox episode for instance was awesome, I would say Harris would get even more un-decided voters watching than Trump and possibly even some Trump leaning people.

[calculoso]

Trump and polls:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1850231954068619461

[MegaErtz]

Panic mode for the Harris campaign. She's up to +170 in the betting markets, which carries an implied probability of 37%.

[Patek23]

If Kamala wants to sway some people she absolutely should do JRE. Alot of people only see the short edited clips supporting their espoused views on whatever social platforms they use. And make their minds from it. You see it on both sides. Social media is a curse IMO. And like him or love him JR lets the conversation flow and rarely challenges his guests much to the chagrin of some here during COVID times and now hes labeled as "far-right" when really he has some pretty far out views on both ends of the spectrum. Really hes just exactly what he says, a meat head comedian who people shouldnt be basing their life choices off of.

But none the less to say if Kamala had a good showing and handled herself well she absolutely could change some minds that other wise wouldnt give her the time of day or give her a chance to listen to what she actually says. His outreach is massive and it is likely a majority of people shes not polling well with. The effect of having a good showing and possibly changing some peoples minds is huge for her.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If people are using podcast shorts to decide who they are voting for well they should have their right to vote taken away.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

they should have their right to vote taken away.

Sounds like something a dictator would say.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

If people are using podcast shorts to decide who they are voting for well they should have their right to vote taken away.

I'm no pumper of any one particular medium or podcast, but I just don't get this. It's a Presidential candidate talking unfiltered for over an hour to an audience of millions. That can take many forms. More and more newscasts are short 10 min spots where everyone just try to get a few sound bites out and they move on. 20-30min interviews are billed as big deal exclusives. Meanwhile someone can actually listen to someone speak free range for an extended amount of time and that's viewed as dumb?

Honestly, Trump is the one that exposes himself in that form, I think. Anyone that will willing sit through that without coming to the conclusion of "clown" is lost already. But some people don't get that full piece of him because they're being fed a catered version of both candidates by a propaganda machine. And these hosts are a lot of things, but they're not actual corporate machines. They are literally just a mid-person getting access to high ranking politicians that most people need a press pass for. It's like instead of Anderson Cooper doing his town hall and curating questions, a couple funny/entertaining audience members just spitball their own questions directly to them. It's a valuable discussion space where you end up with questions/tangents that aren't the same BS being asked over and over by each other source.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I understand what you are saying. I’m just saying unless you lived in a cave your whole life you don’t need the Rogan podcast to show you Trump is a clown. He has had 78 years to cement that into everyone’s heads.

I just saw Meghan Kelly selling Trump. She had nothing other than life was better. How was it better?

Now I see a group of muslims come on stage to endorse Trump. You forget how he ran on a Muslim ban in 2016.

I am having a lot of trouble understanding what people love about this guy? He’s fat he’s short he is old he has ugly hair he is a terrible terrible businessman.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Now I see a group of muslims come on stage to endorse Trump. You forget how he ran on a Muslim ban in 2016.

I am having a lot of trouble understanding what people love about this guy? He’s fat he’s short he is old he has ugly hair he is a terrible terrible businessman.

Your last line is just odd. He's old, overweight, and orange. But since when is 6 foot 2 'ish short?

Something I heard recently on a political podcast...cancel me for listening to a podcast because I know you want to...is that after a few years there are who people no longer see themselves as Muslim, they see themselves as American and associate more as a white American than their own heritage. It happens with other cultures as well where people who's family came up through the Southern border 10 years ago now are the ones who most want to stop the flow of migrants.

So the Democrats wonder why they didn't get as much support from minorities as they thought they would. But over time some people start feeling like they fit in with the majority more than where they did 10 to 30 years ago as they assimilate into U.S. culture. So it's about connecting with more specific demographics than Muslims aged 18 to 30 type of thing.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

If people are using podcast shorts to decide who they are voting for well they should have their right to vote taken away.

What a ridiculous take. No one saying she should do JRE is hoping at the end he says "K guys, I decide you vote for Kamala" and thats how the 17 million viewers now go and vote. We live in a world the majority of people get their information from their phones and social media. Like it or not thats the world we live in.

Its about giving those 17 million people an unfiltered and unedited view of what Kamala has to say aside from sound bites or snippets that may be edited or misconstrued to decieve them. Allowing a large audience who may be against you the chance to hear your words in a laid back and casual enviroment could be a massive boost if she hit it out of the park. The ability too flip voters is there.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Your last line is just odd. He's old, overweight, and orange. But since when is 6 foot 2 'ish short?

Something I heard recently on a political podcast...cancel me for listening to a podcast because I know you want to...is that after a few years there are who people no longer see themselves as Muslim, they see themselves as American and associate more as a white American than their own heritage. It happens with other cultures as well where people who's family came up through the Southern border 10 years ago now are the ones who most want to stop the flow of migrants.

So the Democrats wonder why they didn't get as much support from minorities as they thought they would. But over time some people start feeling like they fit in with the majority more than where they did 10 to 30 years ago as they assimilate into U.S. culture. So it's about connecting with more specific demographics than Muslims aged 18 to 30 type of thing.

Ok please. First of all I want to cancel you for listening to a podcast? I listen to podcasts not sure why you think I hate them because I dislike Rogan.

I’ll agree with the border and why they are having issues with them. The new generation didn’t have the same issues they have been living the American dream.

Muslim are different. A lot of them can be very religious they also have separate schooling. So this one is more baffling.

And lool Trump isn’t 6’2 and 200 lbs.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Patek23

What a ridiculous take. No one saying she should do JRE is hoping at the end he says "K guys, I decide you vote for Kamala" and thats how the 17 million viewers now go and vote. We live in a world the majority of people get their information from their phones and social media. Like it or not thats the world we live in.

Its about giving those 17 million people an unfiltered and unedited view of what Kamala has to say aside from sound bites or snippets that may be edited or misconstrued to decieve them. Allowing a large audience who may be against you the chance to hear your words in a laid back and casual enviroment could be a massive boost if she hit it out of the park. The ability too flip voters is there.

Do you think Joe is going to give her a fair platform? When he has used the same podcast to spread conspiracy theories about her wiping google of any negative articles.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Patek23

What a ridiculous take. No one saying she should do JRE is hoping at the end he says "K guys, I decide you vote for Kamala" and thats how the 17 million viewers now go and vote. We live in a world the majority of people get their information from their phones and social media. Like it or not thats the world we live in.

Its about giving those 17 million people an unfiltered and unedited view of what Kamala has to say aside from sound bites or snippets that may be edited or misconstrued to decieve them. Allowing a large audience who may be against you the chance to hear your words in a laid back and casual enviroment could be a massive boost if she hit it out of the park. The ability too flip voters is there.

I honestly don't think she's prepared for that type of environment. She has her democratic party strategic talking points and wants to stick to them. She doesn't want to put her feet up and shoot the breeze with Rogan. Don't forget, Trump is an entertainer and is very comfortable in front of a camera for hours on end. She probably wouldn't be. It could go very badly for her being in a 3 hour off the cuff recorded conversation.

Its also pretty silly that podcast appearances has become some determining factor for the quality of the candidates. Going on some casual podcast might give you a glimpse of the person, but it doesn't help you vet their ability to implement sensible policy and govern. Trump is going on these podcasts where he's essentially given free reign to meander nonsensically and not be questioned to any level of depth about policy or positions. And yet the average person probably will come away thinking "he seems like kind of a regular guy you can have a conversation with and tells you what he thinks" like that is what they need in a president, and totally forgetting about all the anti democratic things he pulled with the last election, among other things. For all the moaning these podcasters do about mainstream media, someone actually needs to play the important role of questioning politicians in a hard hitting way. Joe Rogan and Theo Von aren't going to do that.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Do you think Joe is going to give her a fair platform? When he has used the same podcast to spread conspiracy theories about her wiping google of any negative articles.

Yeah, I mean hes stoned and ill informed often. Im sure it would be good for her to explain how thats not true. I rarely listen only when a guest Im interested in appears. So of how many ever hes done Ive listened to about 15 or so. So not the largest sample size but not nothing. And Ive never heard him challenge anyone. He just shoots the #### with people and is good at getting them to open up and talk candidly for the most part.

You make it sound like the show has a political agenda because views you dont agree with have been espoused on the show, some that JR even personally believes. But his only agenda really is just having people come on and be candid and get to know them. I dont think hed be looking to have any gotcha moment at all really.

[opendoor]

Yeah, Harris isn't great off the cuff. You'd think she would be given her legal background, but she isn't. She has even stumbled over the most basic questions that you'd think she'd have a prepared answer full of platitudes for, like "what would you differently than the Biden administration".

Though unlike someone like Clinton or Kerry, she's personable. So I think in a friendly, more informal podcast environment she does well. But she's not going to get that on Rogan.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Patek23

Yeah, I mean hes stoned and ill informed often. Im sure it would be good for her to explain how thats not true. I rarely listen only when a guest Im interested in appears. So of how many ever hes done Ive listened to about 15 or so. So not the largest sample size but not nothing. And Ive never heard him challenge anyone. He just shoots the #### with people and is good at getting them to open up and talk candidly for the most part.

Maybe she should get stoned with him lol I’m joking.

I don’t I have listened to a full episode. Just the one with that Dr during the pandemic. I like the clips with Joey Diaz and the dumb toilet humour.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Trump and polls:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1850231954068619461

Wow, so a lot of polls are bogus and manipulated? I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked!

Trump is known for often saying the quiet part out loud, so I believe him here. This sudden shift towards team red in the polls over the last couple of weeks has been a little fishy to say the least.

[cral12]

Saw a few similar tweets as this couple days back but seemingly no updates...

Not that I'm that optimistic that something will come out to truly change the narrative...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1849801585712419326