[News] Honzek out week to week with upper body injury

[flambers]

My guess its a shoulder

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

It makes sense to move Coronato up and leave Zary where he is. Only two lines get disrupted from Honzek's injury, rather than three.


Hopefully Honzek is fine. Week to week sounds (and of course is) much worse than day to day, but hoping it isn't a concussion and it is just a tweak of some sort that just needs proper rest. Here's hoping anyway.


As for who draws in - a player should never lose his spot because he got injured. When Rooney is heathy, he should draw back in. A Lombo - Rooney - Kirkland line wouldn't be the worst thing, with Klapka alternating with Kirkland. Rooney is very well liked in the room too. Klapka can end up being a relatively important piece if he continues taking strides forward with his development. If he doesn't play much, I would rather see him demoted back down and play lots of minutes.

Here's the legend the Flames use for the length of time a player will be out:

Day-to-day - out for a week or more
Week-to-week - out for a month or more
Month-to-month - next season

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Never agreed with this - it's a business, and if someone comes in, seizes the opportunity, and plays better? So be it!

True. But it's more common for the replacement player to come in and just do OK, in which case you definitely give the injured player his spot back.

These aren't the days when Glenn Hall played 502 consecutive complete games because he was terrified that some kid might steal his spot if he ever missed a game. It was a reasonable fear when the NHL had only six teams, and some independent minor-league teams had bigger payrolls than NHL clubs. Nowadays it's pretty surprising when a kid steals a veteran's spot in mid-season.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

True. But it's more common for the replacement player to come in and just do OK, in which case you definitely give the injured player his spot back.

These aren't the days when Glenn Hall played 502 consecutive complete games because he was terrified that some kid might steal his spot if he ever missed a game. It was a reasonable fear when the NHL had only six teams, and some independent minor-league teams had bigger payrolls than NHL clubs. Nowadays it's pretty surprising when a kid steals a veteran's spot in mid-season.

100%. A job is/should be won only if the replacement player is better. But if they are - they deserve it.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

100%. A job is/should be won only if the replacement player is better. But if they are - they deserve it.

I was thinking of this phrase recently, probably because Steinberg mentioned it. I think that the more recent application of this principle focuses more on losing a roster spot as opposed to a line-up spot. If Kirkland continues to excel then Rooney may become the 13th forward, which still gives him a roster spot but not necessarily a line-up spot.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

True. But it's more common for the replacement player to come in and just do OK, in which case you definitely give the injured player his spot back.

These aren't the days when Glenn Hall played 502 consecutive complete games because he was terrified that some kid might steal his spot if he ever missed a game. It was a reasonable fear when the NHL had only six teams, and some independent minor-league teams had bigger payrolls than NHL clubs. Nowadays it's pretty surprising when a kid steals a veteran's spot in mid-season.

Wow! Really?

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

^
Just imagine how depressing it is for players living in Stinkville, knowing that their team-building excursions will be to such fabled locales as Erinsburg, Westlock and Vegreville.

The Edmonton obsession with some of you is beyond insane

[robertsfanatic]

he'll be fine as he grows and gets his man strength...maybe send him to the Wranglers for a bit when he's healthy.

[Goriders]

Murphy blew Honzek up. I wondered if he got his bell rung when it happened.

Coronato played great last game and it looks like Rooney is back soon. Costco is also looking good.

Next man up. 5-0.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

he'll be fine as he grows and gets his man strength...maybe send him to the Wranglers for a bit when he's healthy.

My gut feel is he will be going down when Sharongovich is back.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by BigThief

The Edmonton obsession with some of you is beyond insane

It's not an obsession, just a good samaritan concern for the well being of anybody who has to call it home.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

It makes sense to move Coronato up and leave Zary where he is. Only two lines get disrupted from Honzek's injury, rather than three.


Hopefully Honzek is fine. Week to week sounds (and of course is) much worse than day to day, but hoping it isn't a concussion and it is just a tweak of some sort that just needs proper rest. Here's hoping anyway.


As for who draws in - a player should never lose his spot because he got injured. When Rooney is heathy, he should draw back in. A Lombo - Rooney - Kirkland line wouldn't be the worst thing, with Klapka alternating with Kirkland. Rooney is very well liked in the room too. Klapka can end up being a relatively important piece if he continues taking strides forward with his development. If he doesn't play much, I would rather see him demoted back down and play lots of minutes.

I hope Klapka doesn’t get lost in the shuffle. He brings a unique skillset.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Never agreed with this - it's a business, and if someone comes in, seizes the opportunity, and plays better? So be it!

I agree with your statement only if the player hurt was playing himself out of the lineup. A player coming in for an injured player that seizes the opportunity should be given a spot - but not necessarily the injured player's spot.


In applying it to the Flames, this is how I see it thus far:


Honzek earned his look on the Kadri line through preseason. I argue he hasn't earned his spot since, and if Coronato seizes the opportunity, then a DIFFERENT spot for Honzek should be made, or he should be in the 13th forward rotation, or sent down to the AHL as part of his development. I think you probably agree here (I think anyway - don't want to put words in your mouth of course).



What happens with Sharangovich then? I would say he earned his spot with his play last season. I would imagine he maintains priority in the lineup, correct? Unless the Pospisil at C experiment is over, I would imagine that Sharangovich takes back his spot.



Rooney was strong last season. He earned his spot again during the preseason. He got hurt in the first period of the season opener. I don't think it is right for him to lose his spot now. I think Kirkland deserves a longer look - this is why I think he should be on the rotation with Klapka when Rooney returns.



I agree with you in principle, but I also think it is (and should remain) more nuanced. If a player is performing well, then an injury should not risk that player losing his spot on the team.


I would imagine that if a couple of players who are playing well within this aggressive system that the Flames are employing, that it would send the wrong signal. "Do I really want to block this shot and get injured? Take this hit to make this play? Should I really finish off this hit?" I think it is like anything - want your team to run through a wall for you? You have to make them feel like you have their backs too when it counts. Players who are performing well and getting hurt running through walls shouldn't be displaced. The ones not performing well can be. That's the distinction that I see, otherwise I do agree with you.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

^
Just imagine how depressing it is for players living in Stinkville, knowing that their team-building excursions will be to such fabled locales as Erinsburg, Westlock and Vegreville.

Don't they have the mall?

Practice in front of distracted shoppers... perhaps grab an Orange Julius and sign black velvet paintings?

[Lewis_D]

That's a shame, but doesn't come as a surprise. That was a huge reverse hit.

Hoping Honzo comes back stronger with a chip on his shoulder!

[CsInMyBlood]

Hopefully it's nothing too serious.

Definitely a learning experience for young Honzek, have to be aware of the reverse hit.

The bright side is, Coronado has earned this look in the top 6 and Klapka certainly deserves to be back in the lineup.

This season has been a take the opportunity and run with it type scenario, dont expect that to stop.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I agree with your statement only if the player hurt was playing himself out of the lineup. A player coming in for an injured player that seizes the opportunity should be given a spot - but not necessarily the injured player's spot.


In applying it to the Flames, this is how I see it thus far:


Honzek earned his look on the Kadri line through preseason. I argue he hasn't earned his spot since, and if Coronato seizes the opportunity, then a DIFFERENT spot for Honzek should be made, or he should be in the 13th forward rotation, or sent down to the AHL as part of his development. I think you probably agree here (I think anyway - don't want to put words in your mouth of course).



What happens with Sharangovich then? I would say he earned his spot with his play last season. I would imagine he maintains priority in the lineup, correct? Unless the Pospisil at C experiment is over, I would imagine that Sharangovich takes back his spot.



Rooney was strong last season. He earned his spot again during the preseason. He got hurt in the first period of the season opener. I don't think it is right for him to lose his spot now. I think Kirkland deserves a longer look - this is why I think he should be on the rotation with Klapka when Rooney returns.



I agree with you in principle, but I also think it is (and should remain) more nuanced. If a player is performing well, then an injury should not risk that player losing his spot on the team.


I would imagine that if a couple of players who are playing well within this aggressive system that the Flames are employing, that it would send the wrong signal. "Do I really want to block this shot and get injured? Take this hit to make this play? Should I really finish off this hit?" I think it is like anything - want your team to run through a wall for you? You have to make them feel like you have their backs too when it counts. Players who are performing well and getting hurt running through walls shouldn't be displaced. The ones not performing well can be. That's the distinction that I see, otherwise I do agree with you.

I don't think his spot as the premiere goal scorer on the team has been usurped. And even if it were, there is plenty of room for him in the top 6.

The problem Rooney faces is that, if Costco outplays him, there is nowhere else for him to slide. That is a different scenario than a top 9 guy getting injured and a new player playing well. There is two sides to it - earning a job, and losing a job. Someone earning a job doesn't mean the injured player is the one losing a job.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Wow! Really?

The Cleveland Barons of the AHL were known for this. They had a number of players over the years who were offered NHL contracts, but turned them down because it would have meant a pay cut. (The average NHL salary was something like $7,000 at the time, or about $100,000 in today's money.) At one point in the 1950s they applied for an NHL franchise, but the league was not interested in expansion and turned them down flat.

*Takes off Ron MacLean trivia hat*

[Locke]

He'll be fine, he's a Yoked Slovakian!

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The Cleveland Barons of the AHL were known for this. They had a number of players over the years who were offered NHL contracts, but turned them down because it would have meant a pay cut. (The average NHL salary was something like $7,000 at the time, or about $100,000 in today's money.) At one point in the 1950s they applied for an NHL franchise, but the league was not interested in expansion and turned them down flat.

*Takes off Ron MacLean trivia hat*

now I'm going on a deeper tangent but a fun read on Steve Wochy (I think?) still living and the NHLs 2nd ever Centenarian .broke in as a gangbuster rookie with the Wings, losing to Frank McCool's Leafs for the Stanley- banished to the minor essentially from that point on (a bit of a stretch to directly say he lost his job to Howe, but guys like Howe were in his way). ended up an Allstar and AHL champion Baron


https://www.nhl.com/news/steve-wochy...oductions-film