Your question is preposterous in nature, so I feel like answering it encourages further ridiculousness, but sure I'll play ball...
...I don't know ####. And you don't know ####. Maybe Trump invades Canada. Maybe Trump invades Poland. Maybe Trump just golfs all day and ####s MAGA groupies all night. We don't know. That you've, I assume, already convinced yourself an invasion is imminent if he wins....yeah. Why? Turning your life into a doom and gloom factory, ironically, is what MAGA does. That's why they are pissed off about every little thing. Your influence here is nil to an American election, so while you might think I was mocking you with my previous post saying volunteer, I wasn't. If you think an invasion is forthcoming, like 100% convinced, and that terrifies you, shouldn't you go do something real? Even if you only convince one voter on a door knock that's still far more than you can do posting about the invasion of Canada that's to come under the fourth Reich.
This situation is grim, but thinking of every way to make it even more grim is so exhausting, I genuinely don't know how people like you do it to themselves. I know social media algos can get you deeply locked in, but it's such a drain to be pissed off 24/7. When it comes time to actually worry about the insane hypotheticals, we can worry about them then. But it's the US election, we can't do #### about it so working ourselves into a froth is even less productive or meaningful here.
I can do #### about it. I can vote and I'm a white male aged 18-49!
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I know you would, that’s why I said pump the brakes.
I’m not going to pointlessly argue with you, but I do question if you even know why another Trump presidency is dangerous and damaging, because talk of nukes and annexing Canada is just so far outside the realm of the real dangers that it’s hard to comprehend. Things like nuclear war or genocide would be the total antithesis to what he actually desires. I don’t think you actually understand Trump and what makes him dangerous, but I will say this: if you’re this far down the rabbit hole of catastrophizing and saying things like you don’t want to live if Trump becomes president? Call a doctor or a help line, ASAP. No bull####. Not being condescending. Those are not healthy things to say, let alone thoughts to have in your head.
It feels like 2012 or after Y2K...when the world didn't end. Do you just flip flop to the next big issue that the 24hr news cycle is parroting.
But you know, I thought we were just having a simple discussion. I shared my perspectives, others shared theirs. The very thing a board like this is supposed to exist for.
The confidence I have in saying that Trump will do unimaginably horrible things once he gets into power comes from a number of things; a look at history, a look at the behaviors and tendencies of psychopaths when they feel they've been wronged, and from listening to people who were close to Trump such as Micheal Cohen and Mary Trump. They know the guy better than almost anyone, and they all say he's the kind of person who has zero conscience, zero restraint, almost zero impulse control, and he always wants more more more, and never gets enough.
Trump also loves Putin, and admires him immensely. We'd be fools to think he'd never try and copy what Putin does. Trump has also met twice with Orban, openly stating that America should be run like Hungary, where "the boss makes the decision and that's the end of it".
You say posting on here is a waste of time, and you know what, maybe you're right. But after everything that happened in 2016 in regards to foreign election interference from Russia, is it really safe for a non-American to fly to America and try to influence voters directly on the ground there? Besides, putting my life on hold for a month to go to America using money I don't have just isn't a feasible option. It's easy to point fingers and say "do this!" when none of you are willing to do it.
What in the actual #### is this? It looks like they wheeled out a corpse.
Yeesh
This is an ugly take, probably meant as some sort of joke, but yuck
Jimmy Carter is in hospice care, but that doesn't mean he should be locked up and hidden away. Old people dying isn't pretty, death isn't petty at any age.
But he is a remarkably decent human being. IMO possibly the greatest ex-President of all time.
Even on an anonymous message board he deserves much more respect than "What in the actual #### is this? It looks like they wheeled out a corpse"
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But you know, I thought we were just having a simple discussion. I shared my perspectives, others shared theirs. The very thing a board like this is supposed to exist for.
The confidence I have in saying that Trump will do unimaginably horrible things once he gets into power comes from a number of things; a look at history, a look at the behaviors and tendencies of psychopaths when they feel they've been wronged, and from listening to people who were close to Trump such as Micheal Cohen and Mary Trump. They know the guy better than almost anyone, and they all say he's the kind of person who has zero conscience, zero restraint, almost zero impulse control, and he always wants more more more, and never gets enough.
Trump also loves Putin, and admires him immensely. We'd be fools to think he'd never try and copy what Putin does. Trump has also met twice with Orban, openly stating that America should be run like Hungary, where "the boss makes the decision and that's the end of it".
You say posting on here is a waste of time, and you know what, maybe you're right. But after everything that happened in 2016 in regards to foreign election interference from Russia, is it really safe for a non-American to fly to America and try to influence voters directly on the ground there? Besides, putting my life on hold for a month to go to America using money I don't have just isn't a feasible option. It's easy to point fingers and say "do this!" when none of you are willing to do it.
I believe that no matter what the outcome, the role of the US president remains relatively weak in comparison to other systems of govt. While it is the most high profile government position on the planet, what they say and what they can actually achieve are two very different things.
So...that means I concentrate on getting my pool up and running and planning my xmas vacation instead. It's not even worth it to take out a bet as the odds are a coin flip.
Trump mentioned this is it for him, win or lose the other day. In four years he'll be working a different grift or in a court room.
You say posting on here is a waste of time, and you know what, maybe you're right. But after everything that happened in 2016 in regards to foreign election interference from Russia, is it really safe for a non-American to fly to America and try to influence voters directly on the ground there? Besides, putting my life on hold for a month to go to America using money I don't have just isn't a feasible option. It's easy to point fingers and say "do this!" when none of you are willing to do it.
1. It is a waste of time. We’re having fun wasting time.
2. Of course it’s safe, it’s America, not Afghanistan
3. Well you can’t believe the danger is actually that grave if you’re not willing to do anything about it, can you?
I've been indocranated by Peter Zeihan. As crazy as Trump is, even he would recognize how pointless invading Canada would be. The U.S. has the energy and food supply it needs...but now wants to absorb a mass of difficult land and an indefensable coast line? The U.S. is in the process of deglobalizing regardless of who wins this election. Canada's going to be the annoying kid next door trying to sell them things to fund raise for their team.
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3. Well you can’t believe the danger is actually that grave if you’re not willing to do anything about it, can you?
You know what this reminds me of, the old line "well, if you really believe climate change is real, you would be living in the wilderness and have zero carbon emissions! The fact that you use electricity and a PC shows that you don't really believe that climate change is real!"
It's an ignorant, deceptive line of reasoning. It ignores that these kinds of problems require major collective action to solve, not just the action of any one individual alone.
I think a lot of people deep down understand that Trump is as big a threat as I've said he is, but they pretend he's not, so they can do nothing, and be in a convenient position to point fingers at others for "not doing something about what they're complaining about".
For the record, me hopping on a plane to Pennsylvania right now, and spending a month there, would have an unacceptable negative impact on people other than myself. It's a non starter. This isn't a simple case of "not willing to do anything".
You know what this reminds me of, the old line "well, if you really believe climate change is real, you would be living in the wilderness and have zero carbon emissions! The fact that you use electricity and a PC shows that you don't really believe that climate change is real!"
It's an ignorant, deceptive line of reasoning. It ignores that these kinds of problems require major collective action to solve, not just the action of any one individual alone.
I think a lot of people deep down understand that Trump is as big a threat as I've said he is, but they pretend he's not, so they can do nothing, and be in a convenient position to point fingers at others for "not doing something about what they're complaining about".
For the record, me hopping on a plane to Pennsylvania right now, and spending a month there, would have an unacceptable negative impact on people other than myself. It's a non starter. This isn't a simple case of "not willing to do anything".
It’s actually more like someone saying they don’t have to make any effort because it’s too expensive “and what I do is nothing compared to the emissions of China!” if we’re going to use that analogy. You’re not just “not living in the woods,” you’re complaining about being told to actually put effort in.
It’s pretty simple. If it’s as dire as you say, you would do something about it. If I thought something was going to end humanity in a month and I could have some small part in stopping it I would move heaven and earth to ensure I was doing my part to stop it. How do I know? Because I do that for a lot less than the destruction of humanity. If you actually believe that and aren’t doing anything? That’s wild. Humanity is at stake and you’re saying you can’t because it’ll negatively impact a couple people?
I don’t know, I guess if you actually believe that a lot of people secretly agree with you but they’re just saying otherwise for some convoluted, nonsensical reason which conveniently absolves you of what would otherwise be legit criticism, then this all makes sense.
At the end of the day, I’ll actually do something by voting while you will have actually done nothing. So who is pretending?
Ah. Climate change is the next big fight. I would've put money on the national debt. Glad I didn't bet.
Both of these next big issues are solvable too in my opinion, if we were really pressed, so again relax. Believe in humanity, we're a lot better and capable than some folks think. 😁
I'm well aware that this is going to be an extremely close race right up to the finish line, and nothing that happened last night was going to change that fact. I was never under the impression that there was any possibility of a "Trump is finished" moment at this debate, nor any time before the election.
That said, this is the most consequential election in the history of the modern world, arguably the most important in the entire history of our species. And with the margins being razor-thin as they are, everything matters. If the VP debate influences even a few votes, it matters. If Walz having a better performance meant moving a few more votes into the Harris/Walz column, it matters.
I still think most people in the US don't have a true, deep understanding of the gravity of this situation. If Trump gets back into power, there won't be any meaningful checks or balances against what he wants to do to the country and the world. A lot of people have a false sense of security based on the fact that Trump was president before. What they don't realize is that there are worlds of difference between a Trump who stumbled and bumbled his way into a presidency he was not expecting, took a long time to learn the ins and outs of the job, his WH was staffed with people who shielded the country against his worst impulses, and it took time for him to stack the courts in his favor... vs a 2nd Trump term where he hits the ground running from day 1 with Project 2025 in hand, has the courts already stacked in his favor, and will staff the WH and govt departments with extreme MAGA loyalists.
My honest opinion is this: if Trump wins, humanity has no future. And by that I mean, sure, people in North Korea technically have a future, in the sense that they're allowed to live as mindless work drones, devoid of freedom or independent thought. They're "free" to worship the god-king, and do their daily tasks like robots. But they are not truly free to actually live, to think freely and speak their minds the way we do here in western nations. They do not live lives of self-determination, only self-preservation. Same kind of thing in Russia, where the people are not free to speak out against the Putin regime, nor against the Ukraine invasion. They are also not free to choose their government representatives. Russia's sham "elections" are not actual elections.
The kind of world that Trump, Vance, MAGA, and Heritage Foundation want to usher in... I have to be honest with you, I don't think I want any part in it.
So for the idea of checking out and not paying attention until November 5, I don't think that's in the cards for me.
You need to pick your fights. Find something you can actually do to help.
That's a much healthier coping mechanism than obsessive observation.
Obsessing over the potential and largely completely unknown significance of something like the VP debate is just wasting your own time and energy, and mental health.
I'm well aware that this is going to be an extremely close race right up to the finish line, and nothing that happened last night was going to change that fact. I was never under the impression that there was any possibility of a "Trump is finished" moment at this debate, nor any time before the election.
That said, this is the most consequential election in the history of the modern world, arguably the most important in the entire history of our species. And with the margins being razor-thin as they are, everything matters. If the VP debate influences even a few votes, it matters. If Walz having a better performance meant moving a few more votes into the Harris/Walz column, it matters.
I still think most people in the US don't have a true, deep understanding of the gravity of this situation. If Trump gets back into power, there won't be any meaningful checks or balances against what he wants to do to the country and the world. A lot of people have a false sense of security based on the fact that Trump was president before. What they don't realize is that there are worlds of difference between a Trump who stumbled and bumbled his way into a presidency he was not expecting, took a long time to learn the ins and outs of the job, his WH was staffed with people who shielded the country against his worst impulses, and it took time for him to stack the courts in his favor... vs a 2nd Trump term where he hits the ground running from day 1 with Project 2025 in hand, has the courts already stacked in his favor, and will staff the WH and govt departments with extreme MAGA loyalists.
My honest opinion is this: if Trump wins, humanity has no future. And by that I mean, sure, people in North Korea technically have a future, in the sense that they're allowed to live as mindless work drones, devoid of freedom or independent thought. They're "free" to worship the god-king, and do their daily tasks like robots. But they are not truly free to actually live, to think freely and speak their minds the way we do here in western nations. They do not live lives of self-determination, only self-preservation. Same kind of thing in Russia, where the people are not free to speak out against the Putin regime, nor against the Ukraine invasion. They are also not free to choose their government representatives. Russia's sham "elections" are not actual elections.
The kind of world that Trump, Vance, MAGA, and Heritage Foundation want to usher in... I have to be honest with you, I don't think I want any part in it.
So for the idea of checking out and not paying attention until November 5, I don't think that's in the cards for me.
Agree with this 100 percent. I have a 3-year old, and I think about him and how Trump being elected impacts that generation in the long term. I think a lot of people still turn a blind eye to what is actually at stake if Trump is elected.
Agree with this 100 percent. I have a 3-year old, and I think about him and how Trump being elected impacts that generation in the long term. I think a lot of people still turn a blind eye to what is actually at stake if Trump is elected.
Trump was already president for four years and the world didn’t end. It will be bad if he wins. He’ll almost certainly behave worse than he did in his first term. It will be very bad news for the fight against Russia, in particular.
But Americans have three levels of government, of which the state level is by far the most important to the average person’s life. And even at the federal level, the U.S. president is constrained by congress and the senate. For all of the focus on the presidency in politics and the media, the role isn’t as powerful domestically as people seem to want to believe.
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Agree with this 100 percent. I have a 3-year old, and I think about him and how Trump being elected impacts that generation in the long term. I think a lot of people still turn a blind eye to what is actually at stake if Trump is elected.
I think Trump is a symptom not a cause. Trump doesn’t care about policy he wants power. That issue is independent of the greater erosions of democracy and establishment of an oligarchy. Wealth disparity and wealths ability to control political processes is the underlying theme that will not change with the election of Harris or Trump. Trump is the useful idiot in getting the economic agenda of project 2025 passed.
AHarris term will not change the underlying trend of increasing wealth inequality and increasing polarization and increasing populism. The problem is independent of Trump.
