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[PepsiFree]

Humanity has survived a lot worse than Trump. Let’s pump the brakes.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Humanity has survived a lot worse than Trump. Let’s pump the brakes.

Excuse me? This is the literal end of western civilization if Trump wins. They’ve said so before they follow US politics more closely than anyone else here so I think they might know a thing or two about a thing or two.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I'm well aware that this is going to be an extremely close race right up to the finish line, and nothing that happened last night was going to change that fact. I was never under the impression that there was any possibility of a "Trump is finished" moment at this debate, nor any time before the election.

That said, this is the most consequential election in the history of the modern world, arguably the most important in the entire history of our species. And with the margins being razor-thin as they are, everything matters. If the VP debate influences even a few votes, it matters. If Walz having a better performance meant moving a few more votes into the Harris/Walz column, it matters.

I still think most people in the US don't have a true, deep understanding of the gravity of this situation. If Trump gets back into power, there won't be any meaningful checks or balances against what he wants to do to the country and the world. A lot of people have a false sense of security based on the fact that Trump was president before. What they don't realize is that there are worlds of difference between a Trump who stumbled and bumbled his way into a presidency he was not expecting, took a long time to learn the ins and outs of the job, his WH was staffed with people who shielded the country against his worst impulses, and it took time for him to stack the courts in his favor... vs a 2nd Trump term where he hits the ground running from day 1 with Project 2025 in hand, has the courts already stacked in his favor, and will staff the WH and govt departments with extreme MAGA loyalists.

My honest opinion is this: if Trump wins, humanity has no future. And by that I mean, sure, people in North Korea technically have a future, in the sense that they're allowed to live as mindless work drones, devoid of freedom or independent thought. They're "free" to worship the god-king, and do their daily tasks like robots. But they are not truly free to actually live, to think freely and speak their minds the way we do here in western nations. They do not live lives of self-determination, only self-preservation. Same kind of thing in Russia, where the people are not free to speak out against the Putin regime, nor against the Ukraine invasion. They are also not free to choose their government representatives. Russia's sham "elections" are not actual elections.

The kind of world that Trump, Vance, MAGA, and Heritage Foundation want to usher in... I have to be honest with you, I don't think I want any part in it.

So for the idea of checking out and not paying attention until November 5, I don't think that's in the cards for me.

I don't like getting too deep into what I do for a living on here, but I'm actually a doctor. I'm prescribing you a big fat joint to smoke tonight, dude. Throw in a movie, pop some corn and watch a comedy. This ain't healthy.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The funniest thing is, unless I'm missing him saying so, Mathgod isn't even American. Curiously, he rarely ever posts in the Canadian or Alberta politics threads. I guess Bus Tits and Poilievre, who can directly affect his life, aren't worth worrying about, but Trump's ability to hypothetically end Western civilization and humanity as a whole is worth cold sweats and sleepless nights for.

[dino7c]

to be fair "Trumpism" is spreading around the world...a win for him will certainly affect Canadians. Certain types will be emboldened by a Trump victory.

Now the sun will still rise the next day but the craziness of Trumpers will be turned up to 11

[troutman]

Read Jack Smith’s unsealed court filing

A judge unsealed a legal brief in which the special counsel laid out much of the evidence he hopes to use in a trial against Donald Trump in the federal election case.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/1...ction-00182235


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...-2020-election

the filing cites previously unknown accounts offered by Trump’s closest aides to paint a portrait of an “increasingly desperate” president who while losing his grip on the White House “used deceit to target every stage of the electoral process.”

“So what?” the filing quotes Trump as telling an aide after being advised that his vice president, Mike Pence, had been rushed to a secure location after a crowd of violent Trump supporters stormed the U.S.

Prosecutors also alleged that Trump advanced claims of fraud despite knowing they were false.

[ResAlien]

My favourite part of the election so far has been how Harris and Walz had real momentum, palpable energy, genuine voter enthusiasm, and immediately once that was really rolling were like “kill it. We don’t want this. Pivot to poo” and they did. It’s a bold strategy Cotton etc etc.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

My favourite part of the election so far has been how Harris and Walz had real momentum, palpable energy, genuine voter enthusiasm, and immediately once that was really rolling were like “kill it. We don’t want this. Pivot to poo” and they did. It’s a bold strategy Cotton etc etc.

Tom Cotton definitely agrees.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The funniest thing is, unless I'm missing him saying so, Mathgod isn't even American. Curiously, he rarely ever posts in the Canadian or Alberta politics threads. I guess Bus Tits and Poilievre, who can directly affect his life, aren't worth worrying about, but Trump's ability to hypothetically end Western civilization and humanity as a whole is worth cold sweats and sleepless nights for.

Smith and Poilievre are reprehensible politicians, but as far as I know, they aren't actively seeking to end Canadian democracy and plunder us into a fascist dictatorship. As hideous as those two are, it's utterly ridiculous to try and equivocate them to Trump.

The Canadian election is next year, and the next Alberta election is not for quite a while - I'll chime in when we get closer.

But Trump is as impulsive, narcissistic, and psychopathic as a person can be, and he's a coinflip away from getting back into the most powerful office in the world, where he will have everything he needs to install himself as (for all intents and purposes) dictator for life.

We live in a world of nukes now. The third Reich ended because the world community took direct physical action to put a stop to their regime. The fourth Reich will be nuclear armed to the teeth - there will be no way for the international community to put a stop to it.

Honest question for you Clay - what makes you think America won't invade and annex Canada in the coming years if Trump wins this election? If they do it, who is going to stop them?

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Humanity has survived a lot worse than Trump. Let’s pump the brakes.

Trump as POTUS with a SC that will let him do whatever he wants, and agencies staffed purely with Trump loyalists... I'd argue this scenario is more dangerous for the future of humanity than anything you can name (other than nuclear armageddon).

[Senator Clay Davis]

You know what I was wrong. There is something you can do. Just looked it up and there isn't nothing illegal about foreign nationals volunteering for campaigns. So my hope is, given you think humanity's future is on the line, that you will now be booking a flight to Pennsyltucky to get on the ground and do what you can to help the cause. Would have significantly more impact than posting on a Canadian hockey message board. Godspeed, young soldier, fight that good fight.

[EldrickOnIce]

As Dino keeps saying, just get the vote out. No one is switching their vote from Trump. I'm assuming polls do not accurately capture women busting their brains (for 80 cents on the dollar) in corporate America, or any women of color anywhere else. Get that vote out and it's not even close.

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1841572676512481349

[Ped]

Trump being elected will not be the end of civilization. But it will be bad for the US, and by extension, those the US deals with, looking at doctrines likes Project 25 and what they are trying to accomplish by derailing election integrity.


I suspect the ramifications of such a win would be far more wide-reaching than many would like to admit.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

My favourite part of the election so far has been how Harris and Walz had real momentum, palpable energy, genuine voter enthusiasm, and immediately once that was really rolling were like “kill it. We don’t want this. Pivot to poo” and they did. It’s a bold strategy Cotton etc etc.

Why strengthen and continue to energize your base when you can be Diet GOP?

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

You know what I was wrong. There is something you can do. Just looked it up and there isn't nothing illegal about foreign nationals volunteering for campaigns. So my hope is, given you think humanity's future is on the line, that you will now be booking a flight to Pennsyltucky to get on the ground and do what you can to help the cause. Would have significantly more impact than posting on a Canadian hockey message board. Godspeed, young soldier, fight that good fight.

Just to be clear, you have no intention of actually answering the question I asked you? Nor discuss any of the things I mentioned? Your only intention is to keep confronting me with mockery and condescension?

Just so we're clear?

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Smith and Poilievre are reprehensible politicians, but as far as I know, they aren't actively seeking to end Canadian democracy and plunder us into a fascist dictatorship. As hideous as those two are, it's utterly ridiculous to try and equivocate them to Trump.

The Canadian election is next year, and the next Alberta election is not for quite a while - I'll chime in when we get closer.

But Trump is as impulsive, narcissistic, and psychopathic as a person can be, and he's a coinflip away from getting back into the most powerful office in the world, where he will have everything he needs to install himself as (for all intents and purposes) dictator for life.

We live in a world of nukes now. The third Reich ended because the world community took direct physical action to put a stop to their regime. The fourth Reich will be nuclear armed to the teeth - there will be no way for the international community to put a stop to it.

Honest question for you Clay - what makes you think America won't invade and annex Canada in the coming years if Trump wins this election? If they do it, who is going to stop them?

LOL, this isn't a serious is it?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Honest question for you Clay - what makes you think America won't invade and annex Canada in the coming years if Trump wins this election? If they do it, who is going to stop them?

This is one of the stupidest things ever. Trump as President, or even the most reprehensible Republican as President, would not invade and annex Canada. It won't happen under any circumstances, under any administration.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Just to be clear, you have no intention of actually answering the question I asked you? Nor discuss any of the things I mentioned? Your only intention is to keep confronting me with mockery and condescension?

Just so we're clear?

Your question is preposterous in nature, so I feel like answering it encourages further ridiculousness, but sure I'll play ball...

...I don't know ####. And you don't know ####. Maybe Trump invades Canada. Maybe Trump invades Poland. Maybe Trump just golfs all day and ####s MAGA groupies all night. We don't know. That you've, I assume, already convinced yourself an invasion is imminent if he wins....yeah. Why? Turning your life into a doom and gloom factory, ironically, is what MAGA does. That's why they are pissed off about every little thing. Your influence here is nil to an American election, so while you might think I was mocking you with my previous post saying volunteer, I wasn't. If you think an invasion is forthcoming, like 100% convinced, and that terrifies you, shouldn't you go do something real? Even if you only convince one voter on a door knock that's still far more than you can do posting about the invasion of Canada that's to come under the fourth Reich.

This situation is grim, but thinking of every way to make it even more grim is so exhausting, I genuinely don't know how people like you do it to themselves. I know social media algos can get you deeply locked in, but it's such a drain to be pissed off 24/7. When it comes time to actually worry about the insane hypotheticals, we can worry about them then. But it's the US election, we can't do #### about it so working ourselves into a froth is even less productive or meaningful here.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Trump as POTUS with a SC that will let him do whatever he wants, and agencies staffed purely with Trump loyalists... I'd argue this scenario is more dangerous for the future of humanity than anything you can name (other than nuclear armageddon).

I know you would, that’s why I said pump the brakes.

I’m not going to pointlessly argue with you, but I do question if you even know why another Trump presidency is dangerous and damaging, because talk of nukes and annexing Canada is just so far outside the realm of the real dangers that it’s hard to comprehend. Things like nuclear war or genocide would be the total antithesis to what he actually desires. I don’t think you actually understand Trump and what makes him dangerous, but I will say this: if you’re this far down the rabbit hole of catastrophizing and saying things like you don’t want to live if Trump becomes president? Call a doctor or a help line, ASAP. No bull####. Not being condescending. Those are not healthy things to say, let alone thoughts to have in your head.