Israel declares war on Hamas

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by blankall

You'd think that, after yesterdays events, Hezbollah would be immediately inspecting their radios for bombs? I guess not.

I heard they sent out a pager message warning everyone to complete radio inspections.

[Coach]

Pretty crazy if they're all fearing their devices are compromised like this and won't be able to communicate.

I will say, I don't like that somehow a battery can be heated remotely. WTF is that?

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

these weren't atomic bombs, or large explosives, were these some civillian casualties? Absolutely, but this is far better then what was happening, and I would hope everyone agrees that taking out Hezbollah "fighters" in a manner like this is not a bad thing.

You have no idea who was taken out. Just the implied word of the Israeli government.

Quite remarkable that after months of continuing to indiscriminately kill thousands of people, posters on here are uncritically swallowing all of the assumptions the Israeli government is selling.

We're witnessing a government deliberately wipe a society off the face of the earth.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Given the choice between this kind of tactic and repeated indiscriminate bombings, I don’t think there is a single person here arguing this is the wrong choice. I would agree that peace is off the table so citing this event as the tipping point is probably misguided, but I also think it’s fair to be concerned about the implication here, especially for those that haven’t completely forgotten the War on Terror. Despite what some of the least intelligent agitators have to say on the subject, nobody here is losing sleep that Hezbollah was the target, people want to know exactly how targeted this was and worry about further escalation. I think that’s fair.

As I said earlier, I hope the people celebrating this and remarking at the intelligence and precision involved (I too am impressed and lean in favour of this) will take pause when looking at Israel’s actions in Gaza, as for all the good this says about their capabilities, it reaffirms the fact that they have the capability and choose not to in Gaza, further strengthening the argument that genocide is absolutely a pursuit of theirs, and that hostages may be a much lower priority than some people believe.

One of the stupidest arguments I have ever heard, you're right up there with the clown who said Israel committed Oct 7th.

"Duurrrr IsRael cAn Bl00ww uP paGRs so ThEY mUSt iNTEntiOnAllY B00MB CiVVILIANS iN G44ZZZaaa!!1!1!1"

Is it even worth explaining to someone as stupid as you that the two situations are so completely different they can't even be compared? One is infiltrating a supply chain and sabotaging equipment and the other being a rescue mission in a well fortified area full of armed genocidal lunatics? No wonder you agree with Putin, absolutely no intelligence.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I heard they sent out a pager message warning everyone to complete radio inspections.

I hope by tomorrow they've wised up enough to throw their string and cans in the garbage.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

One of the stupidest arguments I have ever heard

I’m not sure you’ll ever understand what a glowing compliment this is.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’m not sure you’ll ever understand what a glowing compliment this is.

I guess even a Hamas mouthpiece gets to feel pride once in awhile.

[Wormius]

PF, stop quoting him. Please?

[activeStick]

So these pagers are apparently tied to Taiwan and Hungary.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-i...fae48634278288

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Wormius

PF, stop quoting him. Please?

Yeah, sorry, I get genuine entertainment out of it which I’m realizing is kind of selfish at the cost of everyone else having to read through or scroll past that slop lol. I’ll stop quoting the inbred.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

You have no idea who was taken out. Just the implied word of the Israeli government.

Quite remarkable that after months of continuing to indiscriminately kill thousands of people, posters on here are uncritically swallowing all of the assumptions the Israeli government is selling.

We're witnessing a government deliberately wipe a society off the face of the earth.

Technically the Israeli government has said nothing on the topic.

But We also have the lack of claims by others that the pagers were held by non-Hezbolah members. The criticism of this attack is based on the the Israelis not caring about the collateral damage of the attack. I haven’t seen it alledged that the distribution of the pagers was careless.

Take a look at this Al Jazeera editorial that is decidedly anti-Israel.

And while the ostensible targets of Tuesday’s attack were pager-wielding Hezbollah members, it was carried out with the full knowledge that the fallout would be indiscriminate and that massive civilian casualties would ensue. But that is the whole point of terrorism, is it not?

It’s concern through is the uncaring about the collateral damage. That’s certainly a fair criticism but that’s different than what I think you are saying here.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinio...-strikes-again

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Coach

Pretty crazy if they're all fearing their devices are compromised like this and won't be able to communicate.

I will say, I don't like that somehow a battery can be heated remotely. WTF is that?

All of this is equally fascinating and terrifying.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by GGG

Technically the Israeli government has said nothing on the topic.

Yes this is why I said the implied word.

[Firebot]

The videos of the 2nd round...are a lot more explosive.

There is more room for explosives in walkie talkies apparently. There is an X video of a guy being yeeted off the 4th floor window after a blast. I'm just surprised that they did not check their other communication devices.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Maybe go look into why Hezbollah even exists, and you might get a clue as to why these types of things can lead to worse outcomes in the future.

Hezbollah and Hamas exist for many reasons, part of them being the West & Europe turning a blind eye to where all the 'aid' money has gone the past 5 decades.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

Hezbollah and Hamas exist for many reasons, part of them being the West & Europe turning a blind eye to where all the 'aid' money has gone the past 5 decades.

Didn't think you'd bother. Here ya go.

Hezbollah was established by Lebanese clerics primarily to fight the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

Hrmm, 1982 invasion of Lebanon...

Israel launched its military operation against the PLO in Lebanon using the attempted assassination of an Israeli diplomat in the United Kingdom as pretext, despite the perpetrators belonging to the Abu Nidal Organization, which was an enemy of the PLO.[14][15][16][17][i] Israel's objectives were to expel the PLO, remove Syrian influence over Lebanon, and install a pro-Israeli Christian government led by President Bachir Gemayel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War

So here we have the creation of a terrorist group caused by Israel invading another country on false pretenses. Decades later, Israel is still fighting what they created. Israel had lofty objectives, and obviously failed at them, but did succeed at creating another sworn enemy. My point was, be careful what you do, it may just make things worse later.

[Bonded]

I have to say I don't love that Mossad put the spectre of exploding communication devices into the public sphere

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

You have no idea who was taken out. Just the implied word of the Israeli government.

Quite remarkable that after months of continuing to indiscriminately kill thousands of people, posters on here are uncritically swallowing all of the assumptions the Israeli government is selling.

We're witnessing a government deliberately wipe a society off the face of the earth.

State terrorism, Israel had no way of knowing who would be near the pagers, like Gaza the objective was to spread fear and cause killing regardless of who is being killed

[Language]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

State terrorism, Israel had no way of knowing who would be near the pagers, like Gaza the objective was to spread fear and cause killing regardless of who is being killed

You’re right, Israel should just politely continue to ask Hezbollah to stop firing the over 8,000 rockets that have been sent Israel’s way. Let’s discount the Hezbollah rocket that hit a soccer field a month or so ago and killed 12 kids.

Maybe Israel can even ask Hezbollah terrorists to a one on one duel in neutral territory, to avoid any ounce of collateral damage.

This was actually a very masterful, precise and perfectly executed operation, to show the now Hez-ball-less that they should be careful who they’re messing with. After taking out Haniyeh in Tehran, Hezbollah’s #2 in Beirut, and now this operation, Hezbollah are likely scrambling like a bunch of shoeless barbarians. They (Hezbollah) deserve every last ounce of what is coming for them. They are a despicable terrorist organization that has even taken the great country of Lebanon hostage and ruined it.


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[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Language

You’re right, Israel should just politely continue to ask Hezbollah to stop firing the over 8,000 rockets that have been sent Israel’s way. Let’s discount the Hezbollah rocket that hit a soccer field a month or so ago and killed 12 kids.

Maybe Israel can even ask Hezbollah terrorists to a one on one duel in neutral territory, to avoid any ounce of collateral damage.

Your argument will probably land better if you don’t make up a position to argue against when there’s a real one right there you could have just taken on honestly.