Israel declares war on Hamas

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

this shows a horrifying capability by Israel, and a major problem with Hezbollah. Israel had hacked into their cellphone communications, its why they got so good at killing Hezbollah leaders. They thought they had fixed this by going to a secure GPS system, but this shows that Israel had hacked that method of communication. Hezhollah has to be scrambling, what's next? Landlines? Smoke Signals? A can with a long string?


The sheer patience that the Mossad has displayed is amazing. This was equivalent to (the numbers are rumoured to be 4000) putting 4000 snipers out there, targeting Hezbollah.



I don't care if this seems monstrous, this specifically targeted members of a terrorist group, and saying it will create more retaliation, Hezbollah doesn't have the word retailiation in their dictionary, its attack, they have constantly attacked Israeli civillians since they drew up their charter.


the question that's really interesting is why did the Iranian Ambassador to Lebanon have a Hezbollah pager.

You absolutely don't know the bolded assertion. It's just an assumption in favour of Israel without proof.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Leondros

Got to hand it to Israel on this one. This is the exact kind of targeted attacks they need to do. No issue with this whatsoever.

If you accept that this was a precisely targeted attack by the Israeli government, then it has a very clear implication for what the Israeli government is doing in Gaza and the West Bank.

[Language]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

You absolutely don't know the bolded assertion. It's just an assumption in favour of Israel without proof.

How many non-Hezbollah terrorists in Lebanon are walking around with pagers ordered by Hezbollah and that are receiving messages by Hezbollah?

I’m not saying there could not have been other collateral damage, but this was very clearly targeted directly towards Hezbollah, which is what the bolded mentioned. I haven’t seen anyone disputing that.


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[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

You absolutely don't know the bolded assertion. It's just an assumption in favour of Israel without proof.

Right,

It could have been aliens from the Planet X that did this. I can’t prove it but funny enough can probably find a link confirming this somewhere on the internet.

Occam’s Razor! Muslim slasher movie you should look it up.

Hezbollah seems pretty upset with Israel. Israel should just say it wasn’t us!

Just poorly manufactured pagers lol!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Language

How many non-Hezbollah terrorists in Lebanon are walking around with pagers ordered by Hezbollah and that are receiving messages by Hezbollah?


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Well, there are two possibilities here and I’m not actually sure you’ll like the one you’re chasing:

1. That Israel is capable of targeting right down to the individual thousands of terrorists in a country they have zero control over with no civilian casualties and almost no civilian injuries.

or

2. Israel isn’t, which is the entire argument justifying the tens of thousands of civilian casualties, including hostages, aid workers, doctors, journalists and countless children in an area they have near complete control over through ground force, border, and air space control.

So, either this situation is as it’s being described, which says a lot of good about Israel’s capabilities and potentially a lot of bad about how they use them, or it isn’t.

[OldDutch]

Wow.

Gold Apollo founder Hsu Ching-kuang told reporters on Wednesday morning that his firm had signed a contract with a European distributor to use the Gold Apollo brand.

Hsu said the distributor, which he did not name, established a relationship with Gold Apollo about three years ago.

At first, the European company only imported Gold Apollo’s other pager and communication products, he said. Later, the company told Gold Apollo they wished to make their own pager and asked for the right to use the Taiwanese company’s brand, he said.

Hsu said Gold Apollo had encountered at least one anomaly in its dealings with the distributor, citing a wire transfer that took a long time to clear.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Hamas on one side and Israel’s far right government on the other, with innocent Israeli and Palestinian civilians caught in the middle, like I already explained multiple times. I’ll just quote this moving forward if you continue to struggle.

Your goading is cute but ultimately just makes you look too stupid to comprehend what you’re reading, and that stupidity is likely why you constantly talk yourself into circles where you end up calling for the death of innocent Israelis and constantly hate on hostages and really anyone else you try to defend.

1100+ Israeli far right government dead on oct7th? C'mon even you aren't that stupid to try and float such a disingenuous statement. We all know you thought those people were valid targets, such a spineless coward you are. It's ok you can move on to crying for your other favorites hezbollah. You are without a doubt bitterly angry someone could do this to such noble "freedom fighters" xD

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

1100+ Israeli far right government dead on oct7th? C'mon even you aren't that stupid to try and float such a disingenuous statement. We all know you thought those people were valid targets, such a spineless coward you are. It's ok you can move on to crying for your other favorites hezbollah. You are without a doubt bitterly angry someone could do this to such noble "freedom fighters" xD

No, but thankfully, for the sake of everyone’s entertainment, you’re stupid enough to read it that way and keep your weird schtick going lol.

[Azure]

Go back to the start of this thread and many people were calling for more targeted attacks instead of indiscriminate bombings. I'm sure those same people are saying that right?

Hezbollah is a terrorist organization.

The only thing that remains to be seen here is if these pagers were actually being used by Hezbollah, and that should be independently verified.

If so, this is a massive success and exactly what Israel should be doing.

Also not surprised that the typical anti-Israel crowd is arguing against it.

[Bonded]

Some pretty crazy spy craft on the behalf of Mossad. Can’t say it was a clean targeted attack when people were getting blown up in grocery stores though. Israel toeing the line again on war versus state sponsored terror.

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Some pretty crazy spy craft on the behalf of Mossad. Can’t say it was a clean targeted attack when people were getting blown up in grocery stores though. Israel toeing the line again on war versus state sponsored terror.

Did you see the videos? No one else was harmed. Is it possible there was some collateral? Yes. But far less than dropping bombs on aid camps.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Leondros

Did you see the videos? No one else was harmed. Is it possible there was some collateral? Yes. But far less than dropping bombs on aid camps.

Besides the two children that we know about so far. I will give you that it is better than bombing aid camps lol

[Ped]

It's not clean when you have literally no idea where those people are going to be when you set off the bombs. In a terrorist camp? In a hospital? In a mosque? In a market?


Hezbollah and Hamas are terrorist organizations, but not really supporting the "We only killed or wounded hundreds of civilians instead of thousands, see how nice we are?" as really worth supporting.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

Go back to the start of this thread and many people were calling for more targeted attacks instead of indiscriminate bombings. I'm sure those same people are saying that right?

Hezbollah is a terrorist organization.

The only thing that remains to be seen here is if these pagers were actually being used by Hezbollah, and that should be independently verified.

If so, this is a massive success and exactly what Israel should be doing.

Also not surprised that the typical anti-Israel crowd is arguing against it.

Maybe go look into why Hezbollah even exists, and you might get a clue as to why these types of things can lead to worse outcomes in the future.

[CaptainCrunch]

Looks like part two happened today as Israel blew up thousands of two way radios.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1836412960958259597


They are literally killing off all avenues of communication and injuring and killing thousands of Hezbollah terrorists in a extremely official manner.



I guess they ran out of patience in terms of using air strikes on one or two at a time even though they were very good at killing leadership.


the other aspect that I was thinking about last night, would be how hard would it have been for Mossad to have informant sitting at every hospital tallying and taking pictures of everyone that came in with a traumatic injury, they probably have a pretty up to date roster now.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ped

It's not clean when you have literally no idea where those people are going to be when you set off the bombs. In a terrorist camp? In a hospital? In a mosque? In a market?


Hezbollah and Hamas are terrorist organizations, but not really supporting the "We only killed or wounded hundreds of civilians instead of thousands, see how nice we are?" as really worth supporting.

these weren't atomic bombs, or large explosives, were these some civillian casualties? Absolutely, but this is far better then what was happening, and I would hope everyone agrees that taking out Hezbollah "fighters" in a manner like this is not a bad thing.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

these weren't atomic bombs, or large explosives, were these some civillian casualties? Absolutely, but this is far better then what was happening, and I would hope everyone agrees that taking out Hezbollah "fighters" in a manner like this is not a bad thing.

My only complaint is that things will get much messier. Peace does not sound like an option.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

My only complaint is that things will get much messier. Peace does not sound like an option.

Its Hezbollah, do you honestly think that peace was ever going to be an option.



I want nothing better then peace in that region, too many people have died on both sides.



But Hezbollah and Hamas, and the right wing government In Israel aren't interested in peace.

[PepsiFree]

Given the choice between this kind of tactic and repeated indiscriminate bombings, I don’t think there is a single person here arguing this is the wrong choice. I would agree that peace is off the table so citing this event as the tipping point is probably misguided, but I also think it’s fair to be concerned about the implication here, especially for those that haven’t completely forgotten the War on Terror. Despite what some of the least intelligent agitators have to say on the subject, nobody here is losing sleep that Hezbollah was the target, people want to know exactly how targeted this was and worry about further escalation. I think that’s fair.

As I said earlier, I hope the people celebrating this and remarking at the intelligence and precision involved (I too am impressed and lean in favour of this) will take pause when looking at Israel’s actions in Gaza, as for all the good this says about their capabilities, it reaffirms the fact that they have the capability and choose not to in Gaza, further strengthening the argument that genocide is absolutely a pursuit of theirs, and that hostages may be a much lower priority than some people believe.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Looks like part two happened today as Israel blew up thousands of two way radios.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1836412960958259597


They are literally killing off all avenues of communication and injuring and killing thousands of Hezbollah terrorists in a extremely official manner.



I guess they ran out of patience in terms of using air strikes on one or two at a time even though they were very good at killing leadership.


the other aspect that I was thinking about last night, would be how hard would it have been for Mossad to have informant sitting at every hospital tallying and taking pictures of everyone that came in with a traumatic injury, they probably have a pretty up to date roster now.

You'd think that, after yesterdays events, Hezbollah would be immediately inspecting their radios for bombs? I guess not.