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Old 09-12-2024, 05:52 AM   #18041
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Man I wonder what people did before the 90s. You know when family sizes were larger…

My hatchback can fit four people comfortably as well as hockey equipment in the back. No need for a Tahoe. There need for most people to haul more than four people plus hockey equipment is slim, even then there are bigger vehicles that aren’t crew cabs and giant SUVs

The idea that you need these vehicles because you go camping once a summer and haul some dirt during every spring is BS advertising selling you something you don’t need for more money. “Hey, you know that one time each year you need to haul a couch, why not spend 50k more for a vehicle so you don’t have to rent a van for $20 a year.

I fly once a month for work. Doesn’t mean I need to buy my own airplane.

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I support this argument but a hatchback and two kids sounds like a tight fit. What make and model?
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Old 09-12-2024, 06:21 AM   #18042
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But if you could afford your own airplane for not much more than your Car and it was just as convenient as a car you’d probably think about buying one.
Not much more? Large SUV's and pickup trucks are a lot more money than the average car. Domestics don't even sell cars anymore because they profit much more from trucks and large SUV's. Automakers have been capitalizing from this mentality that you need a truck or large SUV to drive all year around for the 10 days a year you actually need the extra utility.
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A lot of SUVs today aren’t especially big, so just looking at the number of SUVs on the road can be deceptive. The compact/sub-compact SUV is one of the most popular class of vehicles on the road today, and they’re basically lifted hatchbacks with AWD.

Toyota Corolla: 1,397 kg
Honda Civic: 1,414
Mazda 3: 1,401
Hyundai Kona: 1,383

The first three are classed as compact sedans, the last is an SUV.
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Old 09-12-2024, 07:03 AM   #18044
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It all can be done by someone else. So why have a vehicle at all?

Convenience? Maybe it is works more efficiently to own a vehicle that is capable of doing things that you require it to do.

Nahhhh. #### it. Hire a bigger truck to have it delivered, by someone else.
Some people don’t. Or some families share one small vehicle.

It probably is smarter to hire out the edge cases where you *need* a truck for something than it is to buy a truck so that you can haul lumber the one time over the next 10 years you’re going to rebuild your fence.

I’m not at all disagreeing with the convenience argument. I have a truck and a large SUV strictly because I like them and they make doing the things I want to do a little bit easier. I’m comfortable acknowledging that they are excessive, environmentally poor choices chosen strictly out of a desire for convenience and on-road presence at the cost of a lot of other more important things (including spending way more on them than a compact).

But it would be totally absurd to say I *need* either of them. That’s just modern North American brain rot. I’m an adult, so I can just admit I wanted them.
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Parking is already hard enough with all the monster trucks and now we’re gonna have people parking their Cessnas at the grocery store. I guess I better buy a low ride convertible so I can take a spot under the wings.
Or are unable to physically park them inside their garage (even if they were not full of junk). Extra crazy considering how easy they are to steal in 15 seconds these days, might as well just leave your stack of cash sitting on the driveway.
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Old 09-12-2024, 08:00 AM   #18047
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Man I wonder what people did before the 90s. You know when family sizes were larger…

My hatchback can fit four people comfortably as well as hockey equipment in the back. No need for a Tahoe. There need for most people to haul more than four people plus hockey equipment is slim, even then there are bigger vehicles that aren’t crew cabs and giant SUVs

The idea that you need these vehicles because you go camping once a summer and haul some dirt during every spring is BS advertising selling you something you don’t need for more money. “Hey, you know that one time each year you need to haul a couch, why not spend 50k more for a vehicle so you don’t have to rent a van for $20 a year.

I fly once a month for work. Doesn’t mean I need to buy my own airplane.

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We owned a Yukon as a family and a minivan growing up in the 90s

You think these vehicles didn’t exist ? You think 4 kids and hockey gear are piling into a station wagon ?

The need is slim ? According to who ? You ?

The amount of these vehicles on the road is actually slim - how many people really are dropping $100k for a huge truck or Yukon , etc “just because “

I don’t know a single person who owns a big vehicle or truck that doesn’t use it for the extra space . If they have the money and don’t need the space they just buy a Macan or a G Wagon or a sports car - not a Q8, Yukon , etc

Just because YOU don’t need it doesn’t mean there isn’t a market that does
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Old 09-12-2024, 08:12 AM   #18048
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These are American stats, but since the main cause is bigger cars, they likely apply to Canada as well.



https://smartgrowthamerica.org/pedes...historic-high/
The link you quote says nothing about the size of vehicles. It talks about roadway design and the lack of bike lanes being the main culprits.
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Truck defenders are out in full force!

Now we're saying there aren't that many on the road? Do you live in this province even??

8/10 homes in my neighborhood have a truck parked in their driveway. Cause it's too ####ing large to fit in a garage like a god damn ####ing normal car.
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Some people don’t. Or some families share one small vehicle.

It probably is smarter to hire out the edge cases where you *need* a truck for something than it is to buy a truck so that you can haul lumber the one time over the next 10 years you’re going to rebuild your fence.

I’m not at all disagreeing with the convenience argument. I have a truck and a large SUV strictly because I like them and they make doing the things I want to do a little bit easier. I’m comfortable acknowledging that they are excessive, environmentally poor choices chosen strictly out of a desire for convenience and on-road presence at the cost of a lot of other more important things (including spending way more on them than a compact).

But it would be totally absurd to say I *need* either of them. That’s just modern North American brain rot. I’m an adult, so I can just admit I wanted them.
I agree. There are a many cases of people owning large vehicles that don’t need - brain rot.
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Old 09-12-2024, 08:21 AM   #18051
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Once upon a time an auto dealer had a “buy one get one free” sale; buy a new vehicle and you get to pick a clunker off their back lot. I bought a mercury marquis station wagon(big as a truck) and picked out a British ford consul, a fun little 4-seater until the weather got too cold.
Ah the good old days.
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Old 09-12-2024, 08:25 AM   #18052
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I agree. There are a many cases of people owning large vehicles that don’t need - brain rot.
It’s not about owning something you don’t need. Plenty of people own vehicles they don’t “need,” it’s not exclusive to large vehicles.

It’s either convincing yourself or having been convinced by the industry that you need something you don’t.
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When I was growing up most families had a version of this.
As long or almost longer than most modern day trucks.

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But you'd never get hockey bags in that! The back is so small!
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When I was growing up most families had a version of this.
As long or almost longer than most modern day trucks.



We had this bad boy.
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People need to push for larger garages for their trucks, it should be in the municipal code. Remember your vote matters!

My truck fits in my garage just fine, I just park it outside so people can see how cool it is, and infer how cool I am.
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The link you quote says nothing about the size of vehicles. It talks about roadway design and the lack of bike lanes being the main culprits.
The study cited in this article looks at the effect of vehicle size.

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/14/12127...ase-crash-data
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Old 09-12-2024, 08:59 AM   #18058
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It’s not about owning something you don’t need. Plenty of people own vehicles they don’t “need,” it’s not exclusive to large vehicles.

It’s either convincing yourself or having been convinced by the industry that you need something you don’t.
If only the government would be some sort of deterrent in place to prevent people from getting duped by the industry…
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If only the government would be some sort of deterrent in place to prevent people from getting duped by the industry…
You want the government to stop aspirational marketing? lol. OK.
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When I was growing up most families had a version of this.
As long or almost longer than most modern day trucks.

Clark?
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