2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by keenan87

What has Giordano accomplished to go into management? At least Iginla has been an advisor with the team for a few seasons. Or do the Flames just want to follow in the Oilers footsteps.

I think the first step would be to get into a similar kind of roll. I don't think anyone including Gio would expect to go right into a premiere management role or something like that. Just something he can build off of it.

I think being a player for a long time can be valuable experience to build off of for getting into management, but you need to work up into it.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Ped

It's a kick in the teeth, but then again, under Gio's leadership, did the Flames do anything? Did the Leafs when he went there? The problems with both teams were way beyond him, especially the Leafs, but it's not like Gio ever led anyone there, as disrespectful as that may sound.


Played 1128 NHL games and only 41 in the post season - and never more than 11. Obviously as I said there were bigger reasons, but nothing there screams that you need him to show the next generation.

I always thought that Gio was giving it his all during the regular season, game in and game out, that's why he didn't have an extra gear in the playoffs. He also had a pretty bad injury tearing his bicep in (one of) his best season(s) with the Flames.

I thought he played a big part in the development of Andersson, Hanifin, and Hamilton. That's why I would certainly like to have him around the team as a development coach or in management.

That said, I changed my mind on Gio signing a contract, or even a PTO, it would be a distraction IMO. It would be the biggest story line in camp, and you would almost have to give him a spot. Also, he could've come here to play for 2 years at league min, but he chose TOR.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by keenan87

What has Giordano accomplished to go into management? At least Iginla has been an advisor with the team for a few seasons. Or do the Flames just want to follow in the Oilers footsteps.

Well I mean look how many former Flames captains are on the business side with the Flames.

I’m looking forward to Todd Simpson getting a turn probably between Backlund and Fleury

[CochraneKurt]

1- The Flames won't be good at all.
2- Gio coming back does nothing good for this iteration of the Flames
3- Stop ruining the good posters desire to be in this chat please.....

[Royle9]

I’m not sure Craig is as high on Gio’s management skills as much as we as fans want to see him here in that kind of roll.

I don’t think we see Gio back here until retirement and then I’m not sold he has a long term organizational posistion here, at least until someone leaves or something. Craig’s pretty content with the team he built around himself currently.

I did ask about the Weegar and his commitment to this team and was told the player has NOT asked for a trade, wants to be here and build something special because he feels it’s more like 2-3 years than 5-6. However the player wouldn’t block a trade if Craig needed to make it happen to better the team.

[bluejays]

Gio should be no more than a PK specialist at this point in his career. He has the capability of clearing the front and blocking shots. But he's a borderline player, being a 7D at best. We need more younger versions of that ilk for Wolf's development. In lieu of not having that available, I'd be up for a season of Gio. I can't see it as a detriment as he'd know his role without ego getting in the way.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Gio should be no more than a PK specialist at this point in his career. He has the capability of clearing the front and blocking shots. But he's a borderline player, being a 7D at best. We need more younger versions of that ilk for Wolf's development. In lieu of not having that available, I'd be up for a season of Gio. I can't see it as a detriment as he'd know his role without ego getting in the way.

Is Gio really any better than Hanley for this role at this point?

We also have Solovyov, Grushnikov, Kuznetsov and Jurmo as LD that might need some games with the Flames as soon as this season so we can see what we have in them.

[aaronkarlpatton]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I did ask about the Weegar and his commitment to this team and was told the player has NOT asked for a trade, wants to be here and build something special because he feels it’s more like 2-3 years than 5-6. However the player wouldn’t block a trade if Craig needed to make it happen to better the team.

Thanks for inquiring for us. That makes a lot of sense. It sounds like Weeger has a great team friendly attitude.


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[Niemo]

Listening to Rich Winters, Flames suck, all our players are no good. We need Gio badly and Mangiapane was mishandled and needed top PP time. Wow…. I can see how much fun it is for Conroy to deal with these agents.

[Freeway]

The Flames have a budget and I would imagine if they add somebody somewhere, they either need to justify the added expense or replace somebody who's already here.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Giordano's agent on 960 says he tried to sell Calgary on the idea of Giordano coming back and mentoring the kids and then getting traded to a contender at the deadline. Said Gio has interest in going to management after retiring as well and tried to sell the idea of both Jarome and Gio joining the management team with Conroy all former captains.

Conroy didn't seem interested according to the agent

How desperate must you be as an agent to recount that recent conversation on live radio. Super disrespectful to Conroy imo.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I’m not sure Craig is as high on Gio’s management skills as much as we as fans want to see him here in that kind of roll.

I don’t think we see Gio back here until retirement and then I’m not sold he has a long term organizational posistion here, at least until someone leaves or something. Craig’s pretty content with the team he built around himself currently.

I did ask about the Weegar and his commitment to this team and was told the player has NOT asked for a trade, wants to be here and build something special because he feels it’s more like 2-3 years than 5-6. However the player wouldn’t block a trade if Craig needed to make it happen to better the team.

Yeah, I think I can agree with Weegar's assessment of timelines. *If* the Flames hit on two of their three own first round picks in 2024 (Parekh), 2025, and 2026.

When you start looking at other top-end talents and how quickly their teams started becoming competitive:

Colorado:

10/11: Missed playoffs (Drafted Landeskog)
11/12: Missed playoffs (No 1st)
12/13: Missed playoffs (Drafted MacKinnon)
13/14: Made playoffs
14/15: Missed (Drafted Rantanen)
15/16: Missed (Drafted Jost)
16/17: Missed (Drafted Makar)
17/18: Lost in Round 1
18/19: Lost in Round 2
19/20: Lost in Round 2
20/21: Lost in Round 2
21/22: Won Stanley Cup
22/23: Lost in Round 1
23/24: Lost in Round 2

Tampa:
07/08: Missed playoffs (Drafted Stamkos)
08/09: Missed playoffs (Drafted Hedman)
09/10: Missed playoffs (Drafted Connolly)
10/11: Lost in Round 3
11/12: Missed playoffs (Drafted Koekkoek and Vasilevskiy)
12/13: Missed playoffs (Drafted Drouin, traded Drouin for Sergachev eventually)
13/14: Lost in Round 1
14/15: Lost in Round 4
15/16: Lost in Round 3
16/17: Missed playoffs (Drafted Foote)
17/18: Lost in Round 3
18/19: Lost in Round 1
19/20: Won Stanley Cup
20/21: Won Stanley Cup
21/22: Lost in Round 4
22/23: Lost in Round 1
23/24: Lost in Round 1

Compare that to the Flames:

22/23: Missed playoffs (Drafted Honzek)
23/24: Missed playoffs (Drafted Parekh)
24/25: ?

If Parekh hits then I could see the Flames starting down Weegar's 2-3 year path, assuming of course the Flames do bottom out in 25 and 26. The best part about Conroy's performance so far is that he's been as proactive as he could be. After going into last season to see if it could work, he quickly adapted to the fact that it wasn't going to work and got to it. It's impossible to overstate the importance of the 2025 and 2026 drafts though. If this team has serious Stanley Cup aspirations/want to become competitive for that 2027 season, their own 2025 and 2026 1st round draft picks have to be home runs (as in, best two players drafted in Calgary Flames history).

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

How desperate must you be as an agent to recount that recent conversation on live radio. Super disrespectful to Conroy imo.

That's not how it went. The agent listed him talking to various teams, including EDM and CGY. Francis asked him what was/would be his elevator pitch to a team like the Flames. That's where the quotes come from. He then said that Conroy didn't quite see it his way.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/flames-...ifficult-week/

I think it's around the 34 minute mark if you want to have a listen to it.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Is Gio really any better than Hanley for this role at this point?

We also have Solovyov, Grushnikov, Kuznetsov and Jurmo as LD that might need some games with the Flames as soon as this season so we can see what we have in them.

No clue, and good point. I do worry about the defence in general and specifically what it means for Wolf. I'm not sure I believe in sink or swim for him, though I do believe in "tank", but not at the expense of Wolf if you truly believe he's a franchise goaltender. Having a veteran calming him down, or knowing one is around (in Gio) may be able to help Wolf's mind when this team does tank. I'm not sure if I fully believe in leadership being this dramatic thing, but at times if all the young guys are pointing fingers, an old guy may be able to put it in context when they don't have that ambitious skin in the game to take blame themselves.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

That's not how it went. The agent listed him talking to various teams, including EDM and CGY. Francis asked him what was/would be his elevator pitch to a team like the Flames. That's where the quotes come from. He then said that Conroy didn't quite see it his way.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/flames-...ifficult-week/

I think it's around the 34 minute mark if you want to have a listen to it.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1832438056567370090

Giordano seems to be taking too much heat in this thread. He's still an effective NHL player. He'd be an excellent target for the Oilers.

[Ozy_Flame]

Even at his age, I think he should be able to snag a PTO. That's at least fair, especially for exhibition games and see how he can mentor younger D. Any team would benefit from him in a protected role.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1832438056567370090

Giordano seems to be taking too much heat in this thread. He's still an effective NHL player. He'd be an excellent target for the Oilers.

In the Ritch Winter interview that was actually one of his points. He said that Gio might be a signing 2 weeks into camp. The reason is that every team is excited about its prospects right now. However, some of those kids won't be able to hold up to the hype, and that's when a guy like Gio would look pretty good.

I'm not saying that Gio is a bad player. He's a very smart D-men, that's in great shape for his age. That said, Gio would be signing with a team like CGY, so that CGY moves him at the TD to a contender, and I don't think there will be much of a market for Gio then.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1832438056567370090

Giordano seems to be taking too much heat in this thread. He's still an effective NHL player. He'd be an excellent target for the Oilers.

Using a chart that averages the last 3 years, for a guy who is going to be 41 this season, seems a tad disingenuous, no?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Using a chart that averages the last 3 years, for a guy who is going to be 41 this season, seems a tad disingenuous, no?

I mean, it shows 23/24 data points. There's a bit of decline in there, but for a limited role? Looks like Gio could provide some stability as a 6th/7th

[Enoch Root]

The valid reason to discuss Giordano is leadership. But I think Weegar and Andersson have that covered. In fact (as someone who is/was a huge Giordano fan) I think Weegar might be in the same category of leadership, as Gio was.

Along with Weegar and Andersson, we have Bahl and Bean, so 4 spots are locked in. That leaves 2 spots for:

Miromanov
Pachal
Hanley (who cares?)
Grushnikov
Solovyov
Kuznetsov
Poirier
Brzustewicz
Jurmo and
Parekh

to get some opportunities.

Add Gio, and there is one spot for those guys. As I said, big Gio fan, but he isn't needed, and there is no room.

Oh, and they also have Barrie on the PTO leash.