2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Toonage]

I get the impression that drafting an American kid is more of a concern now than it used to be.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Not having Hagens at 1 is very interesting to me.

If we get the 1st overall and didn't take Hagens I'd be pretty dissapointed (as of now, lots of hockey before the draft though).

Edited post, I'm not aware of their order outside of the fact that they've highly scouted Frondell.

[gvitaly]

Getting Michael Misa for the brother combo would be a fun story line.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Getting Michael Misa for the brother combo would be a fun story line.

Considering he's Parekh's teammate they've watched a lot of him already for sure too.

[mile]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I can confirm the Flames are very high on a number of the higher end centers in 2025.
I'd wager given their organizational depth need that this would be a priority going into next year.

(Sorry this isn't any particular order)

Frondell
Ryabkin
Hagens
Misa
McQueen

I know it's a longshot but getting any two of these guys would be amazing

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The braintrust of this team doesn’t plan on finishing bottom 5 - they want to all least be in the wildcard race. It sounds like if the team is in the cellar at Christmas, that will change and they’ll revise the plan.

You can't seriously still believe this?

They are never going to come out and say they aren't competing, but they are obviously on a multi-year plan here. No rational person can look at this lineup and think playoffs.

Also, if you were right, they would be spending some of that $20M in cap space that they have, to bolster the lineup. But they aren't. Why? Because they aren't trying to make the playoffs this year.

[Harry Lime]

Calgary still has NJ first in that draft. It's not outside the realm of possibility that Frondell falls because of two years of injury, and Calgary walks away with McQueen and Frondell. That would alter the weakest part of the prospect pool in one day.

Just cheer for NJ to barely miss the playoffs, or barely get in, with a mid teens pick.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Calgary still has NJ first in that draft. It's not outside the realm of possibility that Frondell falls because of two years of injury, and Calgary walks away with McQueen and Frondell. That would alter the weakest part of the prospect pool in one day.

Just cheer for NJ to barely miss the playoffs, or barely get in, with a mid teens pick.

I think NJ should be good but always hard to predict.
But overall this is why I was an advocate for drafting a D last year, because it was such an unusual draft with so many potential top end Dmen. The drafts ahead are stronger with forwards. So if you can land a potential #1 centre in 2025 you've addressed to of the most important building blocks.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Just cheer for NJ to barely miss the playoffs, or barely get in, with a mid teens pick.

Markstrom is due for a down year.

[Vinny01]

Craig essentially made the team worse this offseason by replacing Markstrom, Mangiapane, and Kylington for Cooley, Martha, and Bean. Next year’s 1st rounder goes to the Habs if it is not in the top 10. If Florida completely falls off a cliff then the Flames are in trouble but I can’t see them being a bottom 10 team.

Coleman is in the tough spot of wanting to win and knowing what it feels like vs loving the city and the organization he has called home the last 3 years. I would need a team to overpay because he brings everything you want in a veteran leader.

Andersson makes sense to leave. All his buddies are gone and the 2 of the tes top prospects are RHD. He wants to win as he has only ever been in the second round once. I could also see Weegar wanting to leave after catching up with some of his buddies that just won the cup and while hopefully the flames have a near contending team by the time his contract expires I can see why he would want to win now. The rumored Blues wouldn’t make any sense however

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Craig essentially made the team worse this offseason by replacing Markstrom, Mangiapane, and Kylington for Cooley, Martha, and Bean. Next year’s 1st rounder goes to the Habs if it is not in the top 10. If Florida completely falls off a cliff then the Flames are in trouble but I can’t see them being a bottom 10 team.

Coleman is in the tough spot of wanting to win and knowing what it feels like vs loving the city and the organization he has called home the last 3 years. I would need a team to overpay because he brings everything you want in a veteran leader.

Andersson makes sense to leave. All his buddies are gone and the 2 of the tes top prospects are RHD. He wants to win as he has only ever been in the second round once. I could also see Weegar wanting to leave after catching up with some of his buddies that just won the cup and while hopefully the flames have a near contending team by the time his contract expires I can see why he would want to win now. The rumored Blues wouldn’t make any sense however

Montreal gets the lower of the two picks. Pretty much guarantees them Florida's.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Markstrom is due for a down year.

But can he be worse than their goaltending last year?

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Montreal gets the lower of the two picks. Pretty much guarantees them Florida's.

Wrong. If the Flames get Florida's pick, Montreal gets the earlier pick if Calgary's isn't in the top 10.

Basically, Montreal only gets Florida's pick if Calgary finishes in the bottom ten. If the Flames finish, say, 11th from the bottom, Montreal will be selecting 11th overall.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I mentioned it a few posts back, but I know for certain that Andersson and Coleman are part of the guys that want to go win/compete for a cup. I would put Huberdeau in this group too, but I doubt we get away from that contract.

Kadri isn't against a rebuild surprisingly enough, he likes it here but understands if Craig needs to move him to help. Doesn't want to go back to Toronto.

Backlund is happy here, wants to win a cup but also values his legacy as a Calgary Flame. This one is tricky.

Weegar is a surprise to me, I have to inquire more into this as I was under the impression that he wanted to rebuild here and welcomed being a leader. But it would appear that perhaps that changed.

Sorry ... but did you hear Weegar wants a trade or are you just responding to the poster you replied to that was more or less saying it's less likely?

[Paulie Walnuts]

That was poorly presented by Friedman. Change the roster over a bit?

We traded away our starting goalie for a pick and 3rd pairing dman. We sent a top 6 winger away for a pick.

Anyone who thinks this team is pushing for the playoffs is crazy. The fact players are asking to be traded tells you they know this is a team that is not going to compete for the playoffs.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The braintrust of this team doesn’t plan on finishing bottom 5 - they want to all least be in the wildcard race. It sounds like if the team is in the cellar at Christmas, that will change and they’ll revise the plan.

That's the public view for sure.

But you don't trade Markstrom if you have a target of a playoff spot or being close.

And you certainly don't leave 19M in unused cap space going into the season.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think NJ should be good but always hard to predict.
But overall this is why I was an advocate for drafting a D last year, because it was such an unusual draft with so many potential top end Dmen. The drafts ahead are stronger with forwards. So if you can land a potential #1 centre in 2025 you've addressed to of the most important building blocks.

Injury is probably the biggest risk for New Jersey. Hamilton and Hughes have both not proven to be the most durable but very important to that team.

The roster itself though is pretty stacked IMO.

Meier - Hughes - Mercer
Palat - Hischier - Bratt
Tatar - Haula - Noesen
Cotter - Lazar - Bastian

Siegenthaler - Hamilton
Hughes - Pesce
Dillon - Nemec

Markstrom
Allen

That's a strong and very balanced roster. If Pesce is as steady as he was in Carolina and Hughes/Nemec are what people think they are then that defense should be elite too. They also have 3 2025 2nd round picks, so should be able to add a top 9 winger at the deadline which is probably where they are lacking right now.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon

Wrong. If the Flames get Florida's pick, Montreal gets the earlier pick if Calgary's isn't in the top 10.

Basically, Montreal only gets Florida's pick if Calgary finishes in the bottom ten. If the Flames finish, say, 11th from the bottom, Montreal will be selecting 11th overall.

Unless Wolf gets, all of a sudden, way better and, somehow, manages to do it with an awful defence in front of him. The Flames are selecting in the top 10.

[Yeah_Baby]

OTOH, will me make it out of October before there is an "I'm worried about Wolf" thread?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by blankall

Unless Wolf gets, all of a sudden, way better and, somehow, manages to do it with an awful defence in front of him. The Flames are selecting in the top 10.

Yeah should pretty solidily bottom 10 but I think there is an outside shot at 11.

Columbus, Calgary, Anaheim, San Jose, Chicago, Utah, Minnesota, Seattle, Washington, Montreal, Detroit, Philadelphia

IMO those are the most likely teams to be in the bottom 12. Flames should be worse than at least a couple of them, but in the NHL it can be so random.

I don't see any teams like Chicago/San Jose/Anaheim/Columbus that are going to be 10+ points worse than the rest of the bunch and expect a tighter grouping in the bottom 10 this year too.

Edit: Should probably have Ottawa in that grouping too. Atlantic division is tough because not clear which if Montreal, Detroit, Buffalo, or Ottawa take a step forward or a step backward.