A little too late for the NDP considering the damage it did, but it was badly needed for them to start the healing and rebuilding process.
Prolonging the pain only assured longer Conservative tenure
I still disagree, I doubt it's changed anyone's mind, and you really only see staunch Conservative voters saying this type of thing. I don't see someone who was going to vote NDP now vote Conservative instead, considering they stand for opposite things, and the people upset that this didn't happen sooner were never going to vote NDP to begin with anyway
So it looks like Parliament is schedule to sit starting on the 16th. What do they need, two days notice to file a motion? So does that mean the government will crumble on September 18? With a 36 day election cycle we could have a conservative government by Halloween.
Does that mean I won't be getting a pre-Christmas carbon rebate check this year?
I think it's more likely the Liberals cave on some things vs this triggering a 2024 election. Neither them nor the NDP likely want that outcome knowing they're just going to lose seats
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I think it's more likely the Liberals cave on some things vs this triggering a 2024 election. Neither them nor the NDP likely want that outcome knowing they're just going to lose seats
I doubt it. Caving only makes them look even weaker than they are now.
Usually these truly minority governments don't play out for very long this far down the road and especially so with so much animosity between voters and the current government. We are very likely to to have an election before December.
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Normally I'd agree, but Trudeau surely knows an election loss means he's gone from the party, and since he seems insistent on sticking around as long as possible I bet he finds a way to drag this into 2025
I think Trudeau will make a deal with the Bloc if it cannot pass its bills via the NDP anymore. It's all about holding on to life support at this point. The Bloc has the most to gain now.
I think Trudeau will make a deal with the Bloc if it cannot pass its bills via the NDP anymore. It's all about holding on to life support at this point. The Bloc has the most to gain now.
I think the Bloc has said they have no interest in propping up any sort of minority government.
What the Libs and the NDP should do is use this to tease pp into thinking he gets his election. Then in a wwe type move, both of them come together and work out their differences in a big public announcement, citing the danger that pp is to basically everything.
Interesting. Now the jockeying will be on to see what specific bill causes the next election. Or does Trudeau pull the cord and call an election without failing a confidence vote. Seems unlikely given the polls.
I think the NDP will want the election later, simply because they'll want to start putting more distance between themselves and the Liberals. Which is hard to do when you're contractually voting for all their bills.
Its tenuous, I mean the NDP are polling extremely low, I think that tactically Singh blasting the Liberals on one hand and supporting them on the others chased away support.
Not a good look for Singh, basically doing what Pierre told him to do.
Yeah, I think it was pretty crafty of PP to put that statement out when he did. If this has been in the works for weeks and the Cons got word, it wasn't because PP said it, but it certainly has that appearance. Makes a strong look for them.
I would hope that the NDP has figured out its finances to the point that it could run an election, and are trying to shoehorn their support for the rail workers into a way to break from the Liberals. "We stand with the workers of Canada and this is how we prove it." But honestly, that little open letter has also made them look weak - either we listen to what Trudeau tells us to do or we listen to what Poilievre tells us what to do.
I don't know if it will move the needle much for them, and if Singh loses seats his time is done.
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What the Libs and the NDP should do is use this to tease pp into thinking he gets his election. Then in a wwe type move, both of them come together and work out their differences in a big public announcement, citing the danger that pp is to basically everything.
I think that would further plummet NDP and Liberal numbers if they did that.
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The permanent population increase is totally reasonable and within historical norms, why would you want to curtail that? If we did, we'd need to be OK with one or more of the following happening:
1) Higher taxes
2) Bigger deficits
3) Reduction in pension, OAS, healthcare, etc.
Given our demographics, we need about 500K new primary residents through immigration each year to maintain our historical rate of labor force growth and that's roughly what the current targets are. Without that, then we just have an aging population that relies on a shrinking workforce to fund everything.
Maybe don't bring in costly programs you can't afford simply to save your grip on power as good start? I'm fine with healthy immigration, but the last few years the doors are open far too wide to sustain (see endless housing, education, health care capacity strains). It's damn tough to relocate and set up in a new country, and that's if you're highly skilled with all the perks of affluence at your disposal.
It takes years for TFWs, Refugees and even the average immigrant worker to build up to even 75% of the median income. It's not just like flipping a light switch and you've suddenly got a highly contributing tax payer filling the gaps in the system.
Even if a Conservative government comes to power this year and drops the numbers back to or close to the norm, Canada is going to be feeling the pinch for years to come. It's not fair to anyone involved, especially those coming into the country under the impression that they can live the dream here only to find there is little to nowhere they can afford to live, can't get a family doctor and they likely have to send their kids to a school 20 minutes away with 40 kids jammed into a classroom made for 25.
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I think the Bloc has said they have no interest in propping up any sort of minority government.
Yeah the bloc isn't doing business with the liberals. That would be the kiss of death going into an election with a lot to gain. What would they possibly gain out of doing that for a few months anyway?
It's most likely the Bloc and Conservatives end up toppling the Liberals in the coming months IMO as it's very much in both parties best interest to go to the polls asap.
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Maybe Singh anticipated this video and how incredibly poorly the NDP was polling especially with unions and felt he had to act now before any further damage to the brand?
The NDP could not have done worse if they tried. What a colossal disaster they created for themselves, and with Poilievre stepping in to call for this deal to collapse and appearing to have done such days later, they are now doing exactly what their supporters did not want.
Just a few days ago the sentiment was this.
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You can tell the NDP are doing the right thing for themselves when the only people criticizing it are Conservatives.
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Originally Posted by Cappy
- Why in the hell would NDP voters want their party to non-confidence this government knowing PP and his ilk are almost guaranteed to win?
I'm not going to read previous posts, but to (re)state, the NDP announced it will terminate in June, 2025.
So before the Cons/FJT people get moist, this isn't a 'walk away right now' scenario. And there's plenty of time to play the Libs like a fiddle in the meantime.
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Maybe Singh anticipated this video and how incredibly poorly the NDP was polling especially with unions and felt he had to act now before any further damage to the brand?
The NDP could not have done worse if they tried. What a colossal disaster they created for themselves, and with Poilievre stepping in to call for this deal to collapse and appearing to have done such days later, they are now doing exactly what their supporters did not want.
Just a few days ago the sentiment was this.
Now what?
Now I rescind my previous comment based on new information. Cool?
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It's a dumb move by Singh and shows weakness more than strength, but from reading the article, it appears like there was talk about going this route for a little while. Unsure if PP's plea had anything to do with it.
Plus, it doesnt guarantee a no-confidence vote will be accepted by the NDP. The agreement is over, but they will still support on a case-by-case basis
I'm not going to read previous posts, but to (re)state, the NDP announced it will terminate in June, 2025.
So before the Cons/FJT people get moist, this isn't a 'walk away right now' scenario. And there's plenty of time to play the Libs like a fiddle in the meantime.
You sure about that? That was the original end date. Singh said he "tore it up" this morning, where do you see it will continue?
