Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Fuzz]

Slam dunk stuff. This is a great example of the type of person who will vote Conservative, against most of their best interests. They really should be an NDP supporter with those concerns.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Slam dunk stuff. This is a great example of the type of person who will vote Conservative, against most of their best interests. They really should be an NDP supporter with those concerns.

Who says they weren't an NDP supporter (or Liberal supporter) at some point? Some of his complaints are rather generic (taxes) but the dental plan retort he had stems from the Liberal-NDP coalition.

His particular retort to Trudeau bringing up the dental plan is that someone who isn't working has better dental care than he does. And he's right as he would have a dental plan through his work meaning he is not eligible for the Liberal implemented dental plan and would have to pay out of pocket for his copay.

https://www.canada.ca/en/services/be.../coverage.html

Not a shocker to see Trudeau boasting about the Liberal implemented dental plan yet didn't even know enough about it to know that the person he is talking to would not be eligible.

Of note I didn't hear him mention Singh or NDP when boasting about the plan, did you . Guess he didn't get the memo that the NDP created it and he's taking full credit for it. The joys of being a minor partner in a coalition.

The voters who are shifting to Conservatives are coming from somewhere and there is a clear gap of folks that current government policies are negatively impacting or omitting and who are unhappy.

https://338canada.com/35091e.htm

Sault Ste. Marie (now Sault Ste. Marie—Algoma) was once a Liberal riding with NDP not that far behind. Conservatives are now projecting at above 50% with both the Liberals and NDP down in the low 20s. That 17% poll jump did not come out of thin air. Perhaps it's time for the Liberals and NDP to try to win blue collared workers back but they seem to be more interested in gaslighting them and fearmongering about Conservatives.

[Fuzz]

His co-pay issue is because we don't have universal dental care, so he is dependent on a private insurance company to decide how much he pays. Please explain to me how the Conservative plan will ultimately have better results for him.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

His co-pay issue is because we don't have universal dental care, so he is dependent on a private insurance company to decide how much he pays. Please explain to me how the Conservative plan will ultimately have better results for him.

Please explain to me how the current plan will ultimately have better results for him? It's better for someone, but not for him.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Please explain to me how the current plan will ultimately have better results for him? It's better for someone, but not for him.

He won't have to worry about planning for dental care when he reaches 65, if he loses his job he has a backstop, so doesn't need emergency savings for dental. As the program expands more he may eventually qualify. If his family income is under 90,000 he qualifies now.


Your turn, even though I did ask first.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

He won't have to worry about planning for dental care when he reaches 65, if he loses his job he has a backstop, so doesn't need emergency savings for dental. As the program expands more he may eventually qualify. If his family income is under 90,000 he qualifies now.


Your turn, even though I did ask first.

Lol. I don't need a turn if that's your argument.

FYI the NDP plan has never talked about universal dental care, only a national plan that covered low income uninsured Canadians. What we have is what the NDP proposed. In the particular worker's case, as he is a union worker with insurance, he is ineligible.

https://www.ndp.ca/dentacare

Also this plan needs to be paid out of someone's pocket (as would universal dental care). If he's not benefiting from the implemented national plan, and need to pay more into EI yearly (since he's employed at the moment) seems fair to say he is negatively impacted, no? Why would he care about when he is 65 when he has issues now?

Now I am all for the national dental plan and have stated such before. I see it as a very net positive if talking of the overall picture. I am not arguing the merits of the plan.

But for Trudeau boast about it to a steelworker, when he is unable to benefit from it as a worker is absolutely a blunder.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Yeah, the main source of growth in the temporary population comes down to 2 things:

1) Students, their families, and post-graduate work permit holders. That represents about 60% of the temporary population.

2) Ukrainian refugees, who represent about 20% of the growth in the last 3 years.

#2 is unavoidable and a necessary thing. But #1 is a result of decades of policies designed to encourage international students to come to the country to make up for underfunding post-secondary institutions. Successive governments made it easier and more attractive for international students to live and work in Canada, and as a result the number of international students in Canada doubled between the late '90s and 2008, doubled again from 2008 to 2014, doubled again from 2014 to 2021, and if left unchecked would be estimated to double yet again by 2027.

So this was a long time coming, though the government was definitely too slow to introduce caps.

I think most people were onboard with International students going to the big universities and tech schools. Paying international fees, and potentially staying in country after education.

The biggest issue is all these private "schools" that have sprung up essentially as cash grabs - scamming international students and having us essentially pay for it.

I was chatting with a client the other day who is at one of these "schools" getting a communication degree as a co-op. Do you know what her co-op work is? waitress. That's BS, and its not like this person came here to scam and get a job as a waitress. She came here to actually get a degree and Canadian schools go a long way back home.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Steelworker goes viral after telling off Justin Trudeau in Sault Ste. Marie

https://torontosun.com/news/national...n-another-year



I suspect Trudeau thought he would get a better reception. Has he completely lost the support of the workers?

I saw that viral video and actually thought trudeau handled himself really well. The guy came across as a dummy trying to get some cheap shots in, and Trudeau kept hitting him with policies that his government has done to protect his job and his family etc.

For as bad as a leader he is, Trudeau can handle himself in a crowd

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Who says they weren't an NDP supporter (or Liberal supporter) at some point? Some of his complaints are rather generic (taxes) but the dental plan retort he had stems from the Liberal-NDP coalition.

His particular retort to Trudeau bringing up the dental plan is that someone who isn't working has better dental care than he does. And he's right as he would have a dental plan through his work meaning he is not eligible for the Liberal implemented dental plan and would have to pay out of pocket for his copay.

https://www.canada.ca/en/services/be.../coverage.html

The federal plan still has co-pays for households making over $70k. It also doesn’t currently cover things like orthodontics which a private plan would cover. Not sure how anyone would label that plan as providing better service(and I don’t believe this individual was saying that) since you can go to any dentist that has opted into the federal plan using your private insurer benefits. I can understand the guy’s frustration to some degree but I’m not sure what he is looking for here. They could eliminate the dental program altogether I suppose but that’s not going to lower his taxes or lower/eliminate his own co-pays. It also doesn’t help that some of the things he was complaining about, like the lack of a family doctor, fall under provincial jurisdiction.

I can’t help but laugh at how the media has portrayed this encounter. People should be encouraged to speak their minds and bring up their concerns at these events. Meanwhile the CTV headline was “Tense standoff with PM at rally..” I mean if that’s considered a “tense” confrontation I better stop talking to elected officials altogether before I get charged with verbal assault.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Steelworker goes viral after telling off Justin Trudeau in Sault Ste. Marie

https://torontosun.com/news/national...n-another-year



I suspect Trudeau thought he would get a better reception. Has he completely lost the support of the workers?

That picture is brilliant.

Trudeau, hands in pockets while shrugging his shoulders.

That could essentially define the entire tenure of his 'leadership.'

"I dont care."

[Firebot]

https://globalnews.ca/video/10730018...kers-shameful/

Singh criticizes Trudeau’s imposition of binding arbitration on rail workers: ‘Shameful’ while surrounded by NDPers with "NDP stands with workers" t-shirts.

He claims this to be a line in the sand crossed. Then he proceeds to say there will be an election a year from now seconds later as if he can do nothing about it. Doesn't seem like a line was crossed. How many lines in the sand has it been now? It's become a running joke.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...its-invisible/

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

The federal plan still has co-pays for households making over $70k. It also doesn’t currently cover things like orthodontics which a private plan would cover. Not sure how anyone would label that plan as providing better service(and I don’t believe this individual was saying that) since you can go to any dentist that has opted into the federal plan using your private insurer benefits. I can understand the guy’s frustration to some degree but I’m not sure what he is looking for here. They could eliminate the dental program altogether I suppose but that’s not going to lower his taxes or lower/eliminate his own co-pays. It also doesn’t help that some of the things he was complaining about, like the lack of a family doctor, fall under provincial jurisdiction.

I can’t help but laugh at how the media has portrayed this encounter. People should be encouraged to speak their minds and bring up their concerns at these events. Meanwhile the CTV headline was “Tense standoff with PM at rally..” I mean if that’s considered a “tense” confrontation I better stop talking to elected officials altogether before I get charged with verbal assault.

He wasn't the one who brought the dental plan into the discussion. But I agree this was a lazy days of summer "tense standoff" or "worker blasts PM" stupid headline when there is no political news to write about.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

https://globalnews.ca/video/10730018...kers-shameful/

Singh criticizes Trudeau’s imposition of binding arbitration on rail workers: ‘Shameful’ while surrounded by NDPers with "NDP stands with workers" t-shirts.

He claims this to be a line in the sand crossed. Then he proceeds to say there will be an election a year from now seconds later as if he can do nothing about it. Doesn't seem like a line was crossed. How many lines in the sand has it been now? It's become a running joke.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...its-invisible/

I’m kinda doubting that there is any scenario where ending their supply and confidence agreement today would result in the binding arbitration order being rescinded. So basically as it relates to helping workers Singh has a choice between waiting for the election next year or forcing one sooner where the party that is likely going to win would be able to implement any anti-labour legislation they’re planing on passing a year earlier. Don’t get me wrong, I wish he would have told the liberals that based on the circumstances(collusion) he would have ended the agreement if they forced both companies back to work when they did and actually stuck to it.

See why it’d be nice if the CPC moderated their policy stance on certain matters from openly hostile to even just neutral? The NDP would be in a position where they’d have no choice but to do it because enough of their supporters would be on board.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

The federal plan still has co-pays for households making over $70k. It also doesn’t currently cover things like orthodontics which a private plan would cover. Not sure how anyone would label that plan as providing better service(and I don’t believe this individual was saying that) since you can go to any dentist that has opted into the federal plan using your private insurer benefits. I can understand the guy’s frustration to some degree but I’m not sure what he is looking for here. They could eliminate the dental program altogether I suppose but that’s not going to lower his taxes or lower/eliminate his own co-pays. It also doesn’t help that some of the things he was complaining about, like the lack of a family doctor, fall under provincial jurisdiction.

I can’t help but laugh at how the media has portrayed this encounter. People should be encouraged to speak their minds and bring up their concerns at these events. Meanwhile the CTV headline was “Tense standoff with PM at rally..” I mean if that’s considered a “tense” confrontation I better stop talking to elected officials altogether before I get charged with verbal assault.

If the dude's dental plan through work is worse than a bare bones federal program for unemployed people his beef shouldn't be with the feds.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

His co-pay issue is because we don't have universal dental care, so he is dependent on a private insurance company to decide how much he pays.

Seems like a small point, but it's not. Everyone should understand that the insurance company gives employers a number of options on what to cover, and the EMPLOYER makes the decision on what's covered and what's not.

The reason this is important is we need employees to take it up with their boss instead of the insurance companies when coverage is an issue. The insurance companies willingly play the bad cop to keep premiums down for employers.

[Firebot]

Well this is quite a surprise

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jag...ment-1.7312910

[btimbit]

This is exactly why I understand the NDP's position

"Justin Trudeau has proven again and again he will always cave to corporate greed. The Liberals have let people down. They don't deserve another chance from Canadians," Singh said in the video, a transcript of which was obtained by CBC News.

"There is another, even bigger battle ahead. The threat of Pierre Poilievre and Conservative cuts. From workers, from retirees, from young people, from patients, from families — he will cut in order to give more to big corporations and wealthy CEOs."

Trudeau's a corrupt moron, and it's likely nothing compared to what PP will do

Come on let's get this Conservative majority over with so the Liberals and NDP can clean house a bit and un#### themselves

[Firebot]

A little too late for the NDP considering the damage it did, but it was badly needed for them to start the healing and rebuilding process.

Prolonging the pain only assured longer Conservative tenure.

Note this doesn't mean we are heading to an election yet, but maybe the rail debacle did actually cross the line, and NDP are finally standing up to their convictions.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Well this is quite a surprise

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jag...ment-1.7312910

Interesting. Now the jockeying will be on to see what specific bill causes the next election. Or does Trudeau pull the cord and call an election without failing a confidence vote. Seems unlikely given the polls.

Originally Posted by Firebot

A little too late for the NDP considering the damage it did, but it was badly needed for them to start the healing and rebuilding process.

Prolonging the pain only assured longer Conservative tenure

I think the NDP will want the election later, simply because they'll want to start putting more distance between themselves and the Liberals. Which is hard to do when you're contractually voting for all their bills.

[Fuzz]

Not a good look for Singh, basically doing what Pierre told him to do.