Israel declares war on Hamas

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Hey I noticed you ignored my post again.

But in case you missed it (you seem to miss a lot of posts that call out your BS), the gist was that there’s a difference between Israel defending itself and Israel waging war by indiscriminately bombing and killing civilians with complete disregard of the collateral damage done to innocent civilians. There’s a pretty big middle ground between Israel “laying down and dying” and Israel having zero regard for the innocent people they’re killing, but right now they’re just doing the latter.

If you want to go ahead and address that and everything else I’ve brought up about your uneducated and incorrect posts, that would be great.

Oh my bad, I didn't see your brainless rambling posts, I also stopped at "indiscriminate bombing". What a utterly moronic thing to say, please describe what you think roof knocking is, or when they flyer neighborhoods or when they message all of the residents via cell phone. All of these things done to try to limit casualties. I know in your pea brain you think the IDF should jump through a window and shoot the guns from Hamas hands but that's not how reality works.

Originally Posted by blankall

What are your even talking about. Why wouldn't they have anesthesia at the start of the war? Oh... Wait, because the hostage was in a tunnel and being denied medical treatment.

I guess better treatment that the hostages that just got executed.

I also didn't defend the world kitchen incident, I quoted the reporter who said that he saw a video of a gun man clearly shooting from the roof of the vehicle.

Let's not discuss actual facts here though, we'll just use the made up facts about anesthesia shortage at the beginning of the war... Which makes no sense.

I really don't know what you expect from these people, on Oct 7 before Israel even fired a shot Pepsi was already claiming there was two sides to the event, in his mind there was justification for Oct 7th. Zary will also get really angry when Netanyahu says he will kill more Hamas, these people are very much pro-hamas and their non-stop minimizing of Hamas atrocities prove that. When Hamas hit their own hospital with a rocket or when they hit the Palestinian convoy with a rocket they also blamed Israel. Of course they will make up nonsense about anesthesia magically disappearing just like they minimize the raping Hamas does, this is what they do.

[jayswin]

Yikes, it's been awhile since blankall has come into a thread and been completely embarrassed while trying to spin and lie. Wow.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yikes, it's been awhile since blankall has come into a thread and been completely embarrassed while trying to spin and lie. Wow.

It’s morbidly fascinating to me seeing and trying to understand the chasm between what some of these posters think they’re contributing and reality. You can almost see their brains working to immediately separate out and compartmentalize certain information even when you know they had to have read it and understood it to make their point. I don’t even think it’s just bias at this point, because some of it is to the level of straight up denial of what should be undeniable. Like someone pointing to a picture of a tiger and saying “that’s a panda.” It’s so bizarre that you have to wonder if there isn’t something deeper at play mentally.

Blankall was like this during COVID, too. Though he’s unique because he’s a decent poster outside of this, while basically most of the rest of the pro-war posters have contributed little else outside of maybe some racist/bigoted, pro-fascist nonsense over the years.

I’m also kind of fascinated how many accounts that really have had very little or no activity for the last decade have ramped up for this topic.

[Fuzz]

They help him put on clothes: IDF military fatigues. He's reluctant to accept the help but has little choice in the matter — he's in Israeli custody at a temporary detention facility in Rafah, and the uniform is the least of his concerns.

Saad is put in a tank with IDF troops and taken to an apartment building. He's given a camera and an earpiece. Then, he's told he must enter and search for explosives, Hamas militants and tunnel shafts, clearing the building for troops to follow behind.

There are, indeed, militants inside this particular building — and when they see Saad in his IDF uniform, they shoot at him.

"I thought it's an isolated event, but then more soldiers came and talked about it, and you [start to] understand it's a widely used protocol in the IDF," he told CBC News.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-i...311417?cmp=rss


Pretty incredible people in this thread defend this. You know you may as well be defending Hamas, right? Israel is in no way better than those despicable terrorists. And by defending them, you also are no better. But hey, no anesthetic. Monsters.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by GGG

Similar numbers to Israel’s support of their governments actions in Gaza as of May 20th

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2...ael-hamas-war/

People are tribal and when faced with adversity can justify all sorts of atrocities.



So large swaths of the population support the current slaughter of civilians.

I don’t think it’s reasonable to use polling during ongoing conflicts to judge the populations. There is so much propaganda and justification to support your side.

I suppose the key difference being that the majority of Palestinians were supportive of the initial attack Oct 7th.

The numbers this poll shows is how supportive Israelites are of the retaliation of the Oct 7 attacks. Two different things.

But I agree that polling during an ongoing conflict can be deceiving.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I suppose the key difference being that the majority of Palestinians were supportive of the initial attack Oct 7th.

The numbers this poll shows is how supportive Israelites are of the retaliation of the Oct 7 attacks. Two different things.

But I agree that polling during an ongoing conflict can be deceiving.

Lol of course it's 2 different things if you're looking through an Israeli bias lens.

[Fuzz]

When you view the start of the Israel Gaza conflict as October 7th, it's easier to view Hamas as the aggressor. Ignoring everything before that allows you to blame them for everything, and justify the ongoing heinous acts.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

The numbers this poll shows is how supportive Israelites are of the retaliation of the Oct 7 attacks. genocide. Two different things.

Agreed. The Israeli poll basically shows support for genocide.

As has been mentioned multiple times, really no different than Hamas.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

When you view the start of the Israel Gaza conflict as October 7th, it's easier to view Hamas as the aggressor. Ignoring everything before that allows you to blame them for everything, and justify the ongoing heinous acts.

Which is exactly what he tries to do. Justify the genocide. And in some cases like the ongoing starvation of the population deny that it is happening.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Pretty incredible people in this thread defend this. You know you may as well be defending Hamas, right? Israel is in no way better than those despicable terrorists. And by defending them, you also are no better. But hey, no anesthetic. Monsters.

This is basically the thread.

There is one side arguing and highlighting that BOTH Hamas and Israel are sick, depraved, warped, murderous, rapist, infanticide, evil, lowlife, terrorist POS.

And another trying to defend Israel's right to act in that way.

[Zary's-Mustache]

So what happened to the Israeli soldiers who raped Palestinian prisoners? Other than becoming TV stars of course.

Hard to get any information about what happened with them.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

Oh my bad, I didn't see your brainless rambling posts, I also stopped at "indiscriminate bombing". What a utterly moronic thing to say, please describe what you think roof knocking is, or when they flyer neighborhoods or when they message all of the residents via cell phone. All of these things done to try to limit casualties. I know in your pea brain you think the IDF should jump through a window and shoot the guns from Hamas hands but that's not how reality works.



I really don't know what you expect from these people, on Oct 7 before Israel even fired a shot Pepsi was already claiming there was two sides to the event, in his mind there was justification for Oct 7th. Zary will also get really angry when Netanyahu says he will kill more Hamas, these people are very much pro-hamas and their non-stop minimizing of Hamas atrocities prove that. When Hamas hit their own hospital with a rocket or when they hit the Palestinian convoy with a rocket they also blamed Israel. Of course they will make up nonsense about anesthesia magically disappearing just like they minimize the raping Hamas does, this is what they do.

Man your posts just get more and more hilarious.

Let's ignore the fact that you won't address your blatant attempt at misrepresenting the IDF "rescue mission"

Let's instead focus on your classic parroting of "IDF is so great, they warn people before bombing them". This has to be one of the most BS lines that pro-Israeli people come up with, as if it completely absolves any behaviour that happens after the fact. That because people are "warned", Israel is then free to do whatever it wants. If that's the case, do you agree that if I tell you I'm going to punch you in the face, then I'm free to do so, and if you don't move, it's your own fault?

In addition, it seems the pro-Israeli crowd conveniently ignores another fact: do you have any idea how big the Gaza Strip actually is and how dense the population is? For reference, the Gaza Strip is ~140 sq. mi. with a population over 2 million people. By comparison, Calgary is ~320 sq. mi with a population of 1.3 million people. So you're putting 50% more people in an area 45% the size. When Israel is so kind as to "warn" people they're about to drop bombs on an entire area, where do you expect them to go? You don't just move tens or hundreds of thousands of people on a whim, especially with the infrastructure that exists(ed) in Palestine.

Israel "warning" about bomb-dropping is nothing more than political optics so they can tell suckers like you that they care. And you buy it hook, line, and sinker and parrot the same BS to others as justification for terrible acts.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Israeli Podcasters openly call for the genocide of palestinians.

"Forgive us if we don’t give a #### if everybody there dies. It’s just the way we feel. It’s just the way Israelis feel,” Weinstein said.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/i...-and-west-bank

[Zary's-Mustache]

They also said if they could press a button to kill every single person in Gaza, they would press it

Imagine that it was a Palestinian saying that about israel. I reported their youtube account and I encourage everyone else to do the same.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I suppose the key difference being that the majority of Palestinians were supportive of the initial attack Oct 7th.

The numbers this poll shows is how supportive Israelites are of the retaliation of the Oct 7 attacks. Two different things.

But I agree that polling during an ongoing conflict can be deceiving.

Do you believe the acts of Hamas on October 7 justify the killing of civilians in the numbers and methods they have been?

If not they aren’t two different things. They are both the unjustified killing of civilians. They are not comparable and both horrific for their own reasons.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

When you view the start of the Israel Gaza conflict as October 7th, it's easier to view Hamas as the aggressor. Ignoring everything before that allows you to blame them for everything, and justify the ongoing heinous acts.

Totally. Letting Palestinians rule Gaza for about twenty years sure was justification to invade Israel.

These posts keep getting dumber and dumber.

Not one of your lot hoping for peace, just more misery.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Totally. Letting Palestinians rule Gaza for about twenty years sure was justification to invade Israel.

These posts keep getting dumber and dumber.

Not one of your lot hoping for peace, just more misery.

Who is “his lot”?

Because Fuzz has been pretty consistent in calling for peace, a ceasefire, and the end to both violence and the deaths of civilians.

So which group that you hate are you putting him in in order to pretend he hasn’t?

Wouldn’t mind a real answer, if you’re not too busy thanking posts of pro-war bigots who have cheered on rape and murder and called Israeli hostages liars… because you know… you care about peace.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by GGG

Do you believe the acts of Hamas on October 7 justify the killing of civilians in the numbers and methods they have been?

If not they aren’t two different things. They are both the unjustified killing of civilians. They are not comparable and both horrific for their own reasons.

I certainly believed that there would be a measured response from the Oct 7 attacks.

I hate to talk about human beings as “numbers”, because they are all someone’s child, mother, or father. With that said, unfortunately it has come down to numbers.

It is impossible for me know exactly what it was like on Oct 7, it’s equally impossible for me to know exactly what it’s like in the war zones, the bunkers, the tunnels, etc. so I can’t give you an answer.

It goes without saying that one more death is one to many. But we all know that this will continue.

Like I posted earlier, I do not believe that Hamas is at all interested in a ceasefire. But that’s just my opinion.

I am genuinely shocked at the percentage of people who supported the Oct 7th attacks / hostage taking in Gaza. The numbers you posted show Israel also wanting a big response. These numbers on both sides speak to how deep and long this conflict goes back in time.

I really don’t know how it ends when one side (again, my opinion) doesn’t want it to stop. I also believe that Hamas has no intention of lasting peace with Israel. So even if we get a temporary ceasefire, they will be back again. The same can be argued for Israel not wanting peace with settlers in the West Bank.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I really don’t know how it ends when one side (again, my opinion) doesn’t want it to stop.

Doctorgenocide. Netanyahu just wants peace.

Netanyahu still wants more war]
The Israeli leader’s critics argue he would rather prolong the war to assuage his far-right allies (and keep hold of power) than clinch a deal that stops hostilities and frees the remaining hostages.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ical-hostages/

Netanyahu putting final nail in Biden peace plan’s coffin
Biden’s ‘two-state’ solution going nowhere fast while Netanyahu laying groundwork for a permanent military occupation of Gaza
Months of US efforts to produce a Gaza War ceasefire are fizzling out and a frustrated President Joe Biden is directly blaming Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for the failure. Asked by a reporter on Monday (September 2) whether Netanyahu was doing enough to push forward a truce, Biden tersely answered, “No.”

https://asiatimes.com/2024/09/netany...-plans-coffin/

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I certainly believed that there would be a measured response from the Oct 7 attacks.

I hate to talk about human beings as “numbers”, because they are all someone’s child, mother, or father. With that said, unfortunately it has come down to numbers.

It is impossible for me know exactly what it was like on Oct 7, it’s equally impossible for me to know exactly what it’s like in the war zones, the bunkers, the tunnels, etc. so I can’t give you an answer.

It goes without saying that one more death is one to many. But we all know that this will continue.

Like I posted earlier, I do not believe that Hamas is at all interested in a ceasefire. But that’s just my opinion.

I am genuinely shocked at the percentage of people who supported the Oct 7th attacks / hostage taking in Gaza. The numbers you posted show Israel also wanting a big response. These numbers on both sides speak to how deep and long this conflict goes back in time.

I really don’t know how it ends when one side (again, my opinion) doesn’t want it to stop. I also believe that Hamas has no intention of lasting peace with Israel. So even if we get a temporary ceasefire, they will be back again. The same can be argued for Israel not wanting peace with settlers in the West Bank.

I agree with Hamas is not interested in Peace.

You seem to punt on the question of is the Israeli response in its method an extent of civilian casualties justified.

This conflict ends when Iran stops funding Hamas. The mass civilian deaths end when ever Israel decides its inflicted enough damage. Then we go back to the hundreds of deaths a year phase of the conflict as Israel defends itself with vastly superior tech.

Now I don’t know how you stop Iran from funding Hamas or how you eliminate Hamas leadership outside of Gaza but the current actions of Israel do not advance either. So I agree it’s hard to see an end to the conflict.