Israel declares war on Hamas

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Holy ####ing ####. Pick on the part of the story you think is relevant and comment on it - which you did, which is fine, and in respect of which no one seemed to take issue with (to my knowledge).

But for Christ sake allow others the same privilege.

Oh stop your whining. It was obvious from the story and the headline what was the most relevant part of the story. You, yourself even copied the headline.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

lol dude, you thanked this post. And this brain dead weirdo has accused people of being pro-Hamas, or friends with Hamas, or loving Hamas, or whatever, 100+ times.



You yourself suggested someone cheered for Hezbollah.

What are we doing? Playing make believe?

LOL! What a sleazy dishonest snake.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Bagor

LOL! What a sleazy dishonest snake.

#### you. I’m out.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

I know it makes you mad, the only thing Israelis can do to make you happy is just lay down and die. They defend themselves they are evil, they do anything to help Palestine they are evil. You should really stop claiming to give a #### about Palestine, we can all see the truth behind your lies. The only time you're happy is if you can pin a dead child on Israel.

Hey I noticed you ignored my post again.

But in case you missed it (you seem to miss a lot of posts that call out your BS), the gist was that there’s a difference between Israel defending itself and Israel waging war by indiscriminately bombing and killing civilians with complete disregard of the collateral damage done to innocent civilians. There’s a pretty big middle ground between Israel “laying down and dying” and Israel having zero regard for the innocent people they’re killing, but right now they’re just doing the latter.

If you want to go ahead and address that and everything else I’ve brought up about your uneducated and incorrect posts, that would be great.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

And again, to my knowledge no one is suggesting that.

There is no one in this thread suggesting that people are “pro-Hamas”??? I’m happy to quote the many many many times that’s happened in this thread, but wanted to make sure that you’ve actually read this thread and still have that view???

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Again - there is nobody in this thread claiming that Hamas is in the right with anything here. If there is, please provide a quote.

Dude I was agreeing with this.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Dude I was agreeing with this.

So what are you arguing? That Israel is completely in the right and there’s nothing more they can do to limit civilian casualties?

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

So what are you arguing? That Israel is completely in the right and there’s nothing more they can do to limit civilian casualties?

Nope, I have never suggested that either. I’m on record that there needs to be a ceasefire now.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Nope, I have never suggested that either. I’m on record that there needs to be a ceasefire now.

So again, what are you arguing? If you think that Israel can do more to limit civilian casualties, then you admit that they are killing innocent people that do not need to be murdered. If you believe that, then how can you possibly continue to support their actions?

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

So again, what are you arguing? If you think that Israel can do more to limit civilian casualties, then you admit that they are killing innocent people that do not need to be murdered. If you believe that, then how can you possibly continue to support their actions?

What are you arguing? That Israel should not have responded to the Hamas atrocities of October 7 that were by all measures on a scale that defies imagination? Again, there needs to be a ceasefire that is part of a larger deal that sees Hamas’ rule in Gaza end and for the return of the hostages.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

What are you arguing? That Israel should not have responded to the Hamas atrocities of October 7 that were by all measures on a scale that defies imagination? Again, there needs to be a ceasefire that is part of a larger deal that sees Hamas’ rule in Gaza end and for the return of the hostages.

Umm 1) you didn’t answer my question.

2) I thought my posts are amazingly clear. But I’ll repeat: Israel has a right to defend themselves. Israel DOES NOT have a right to indiscriminately bomb, destroy, and kill innocent civilians with zero regard for collateral damage under the veil of “defending themselves”. Israel could absolutely take a more surgical approach in how they are approaching the dismantling of Hamas. The US government even believes so.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-eas...-gaza-c275ed12

So for the 10th time, my argument is simple - if Israel can do more to limit innocent civilian casualties, which they clearly can (and it seems even you admit) they should be doing so.

But you still haven’t answered my question. Everything you’ve responded with has been pure deflection, so really looking forward to you not dodging the question again: if you think Israel can do more to limit innocent civilian deaths, how can you continue to support their actions when they are blatantly refusing to do so?

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

But you still haven’t answered my question. Everything you’ve responded with has been pure deflection, so really looking forward to you not dodging the question again: if you think Israel can do more to limit innocent civilian deaths, how can you continue to support their actions when they are blatantly refusing to do so?

I don’t agree with the premise of your question, which is that Israel has not been doing more in that regard. But again, for the third time, my position is that there should be a ceasefire.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I don’t agree with the premise of your question, which is that Israel has not been doing more in that regard. But again, for the third time, my position is that there should be a ceasefire.

So then you do believe that Israel is completely in the right and there is nothing more they can do to limit the killing of innocent civilians.

Because there is no grey area there - it’s completely binary. You either believe that Israel can do more to limit civilian deaths, and by not doing so they are contributing to the slaughter of innocent people. Or you believe that they are completely justified and can do nothing more to help the civilians, which goes against just about every source in the world (including their greatest ally, the US itself) other than Israel itself.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

#### you. I’m out.

Waa waa
Too bad Pepsi hung your lying bs out for all to see.

[Zary's-Mustache]

And people wonder why I call other posters liars.

If you lie, you're a liar. If you make things up you're a liar.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

pin a dead child on Israel.

Worst birthday party game ever.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

And people wonder why I call other posters liars.

If you lie, you're a liar. If you make things up you're a liar.

Get lost.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

So then you do believe that Israel is completely in the right and there is nothing more they can do to limit the killing of innocent civilians.

Because there is no grey area there - it’s completely binary. You either believe that Israel can do more to limit civilian deaths, and by not doing so they are contributing to the slaughter of innocent people. Or you believe that they are completely justified and can do nothing more to help the civilians, which goes against just about every source in the world (including their greatest ally, the US itself) other than Israel itself.

I think saying he believes there should be a ceasefire is absolutely implying Israel is in the right by continuing their current course of action.

I got the impression Manhattanboy was legitimately being open to discussion on this one. Yup, he cherry picked a headline of an article, but I think he's moved on from that and so can the rest of us.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

I think saying he believes there should be a ceasefire is absolutely implying Israel is in the right by continuing their current course of action.

I got the impression Manhattanboy was legitimately being open to discussion on this one. Yup, he cherry picked a headline of an article, but I think he's moved on from that and so can the rest of us.

It was a simple question. Nothing to do with the article at all, just a question to try and understand their perception and motives. I ask everyone in the thread the same question, because in my opinion, it’s the most basic question in this conflict.

[robertsfan]

Can we have a day of peace on this thread - like a moritoriun from debating?

The world sucks an even bigger dck right now than it normally does.

Of course; there is always the mantra of “don’t come here if you don’t like, but maybe out of respect for all things Flames related we give it a rest on this board.