2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Do the Flames become a team that claims player off of waivers this season?

We had 3 pretty savvy waiver claims last year.

I can definitely see something similar happening this year, either at the early part of camp(with a team trying to sneak a player down), or closer to the TD due to holes in the lineup from trades and injuries.

The problem the Flames have with waivers is the sheer amount of depth bodies they have. Already it seems like Coronato is starting the season in the AHL unless he forces the Flames' hand out of camp. I could see Duehr, Schwindt or Rooney being waived and sent down for an upgrade, but that's about it. After that we have to waive someone like Pelletier, or if a D becomes available then one or two of Solovyov, Pachal, and Hanley.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Is there something wrong with what they're doing? People right here on CP have been clamouring for the Flames to do exactly the same thing.

2 years ago they were throwimg miney at FAs...pick a lane

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

They went to the Conference Finals? I don't remember anything other than that 1 round against the Bolts.

You are correct, that remains their only playoff series win, apart from the covid bubble qualifier round. They have never made it beyond the second round.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The thing that's wrong is that they're always copying us in our shadow.

Oh, please. The Flames don't have a patent on trading cap space for assets. Arizona did it for years and years.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The thing that's wrong is that they're always copying us in our shadow.

It's competition during the time when we're FINALLY doing things like this to build our team. Other years virtually no teams have space and are willing. This year we finally are and CBJ goes and makes moves to see if they can do the same.

WE DON'T WANT TO BE FRIENDS WITH YOU OHIO!

There are always teams with lots of cap space, this is Calgary’s first time.

Who is Calgary copying?

[Toonage]

I have nothing to go off of, but I get the feeling Calgary's cost to take on a bad contract is (justifiably) high.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I have nothing to go off of, but I get the feeling Calgary's cost to take on a bad contract is (justifiably) high.

I think they are also pretty restricted by NTCs

[Toonage]

Fair point

[Niemo]

Would Dallas or Conroy do this:

Kadri + Coleman + Pelletier + Hanley
For
Seguin + Mavrik Bourque + 1st 2026 (unprotected)

Makes Dallas much stronger and deeper for the next 2-3 years.

CGY gets a good C prospect that can play now and a future 1st. Seguin can also replace Kadri and Coleman as a veteran leader and probably can more easily shift to the wing once a stud C prospect comes in (or Zary shows awesomeness at C).

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Would Dallas or Conroy do this:

Kadri + Coleman + Pelletier + Hanley
For
Seguin + Mavrik Bourque + 1st 2026 (unprotected)

Makes Dallas much stronger and deeper for the next 2-3 years.

CGY gets a good C prospect that can play now and a future 1st. Seguin can also replace Kadri and Coleman as a veteran leader and probably can more easily shift to the wing once a stud C prospect comes in (or Zary shows awesomeness at C).

Seems pretty fair IMO. Only problem is that Dallas is probably eager to have the cap space (to use one their young players) from Seguin’s contract ending and they lose that with Kadri and Coleman.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

They went to the Conference Finals? I don't remember anything other than that 1 round against the Bolts.

My mistake- they have never been to the Conference finals.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Would Dallas or Conroy do this:

Kadri + Coleman + Pelletier + Hanley
For
Seguin + Mavrik Bourque + 1st 2026 (unprotected)

Makes Dallas much stronger and deeper for the next 2-3 years.

CGY gets a good C prospect that can play now and a future 1st. Seguin can also replace Kadri and Coleman as a veteran leader and probably can more easily shift to the wing once a stud C prospect comes in (or Zary shows awesomeness at C).

Think that's pretty bad for the Flames to be honest.

Pelletier and Bourque are similar, so if it breaks down to Kadri + Coleman for Seguin + 1st 2026 that is terrible.

I don't think Bourque is much better than Pelletier. Pelletier is only 10 months older and if you look at their QMJHL and AHL careers it's pretty similar.

Pelletier:
OMJHL - 1.31 PPG
AHL - 0.93 PPG

Bourque:
QMJHL - 1.37 PPG
AHL - 0.88 PPG

Very much a case of "the other teams prospect is just shinier than ours". Pelletier's injury concerns this past season suck, but his AHL performance prior to that was great and it's being overlooked.

I'm not even sure I'd love the deal if you took out Pelletier though.

Kadri: 5 x $7.0M
Coleman: 3 x $4.9M

for

Seguin: 3 x $9.85M
1st
Bourque

That's probably more fair I guess, but Seguin has the worst contract in the trade and not sure the Flames are really being compensated for that. Feel like the Flames could get a 1st for each of Kadri and Coleman without having to take on a deal like Seguins.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Think that's pretty bad for the Flames to be honest.

Pelletier and Bourque are similar, so if it breaks down to Kadri + Coleman for Seguin + 1st 2026 that is terrible.

I don't think Bourque is much better than Pelletier. Pelletier is only 10 months older and if you look at their QMJHL and AHL careers it's pretty similar.

Pelletier:
OMJHL - 1.31 PPG
AHL - 0.93 PPG

Bourque:
QMJHL - 1.37 PPG
AHL - 0.88 PPG

Very much a case of "the other teams prospect is just shinier than ours". Pelletier's injury concerns this past season suck, but his AHL performance prior to that was great and it's being overlooked.

I'm not even sure I'd love the deal if you took out Pelletier though.

Kadri: 5 x $7.0M
Coleman: 3 x $4.9M

for

Seguin: 3 x $9.85M
1st
Bourque

That's probably more fair I guess, but Seguin has the worst contract in the trade and not sure the Flames are really being compensated for that. Feel like the Flames could get a 1st for each of Kadri and Coleman without having to take on a deal like Seguins.

I agree its a poor trade, although I think the chance of Seguin waiving is about nil.

Bourque is a year younger and still waiver exempt, unlike Pelletier, which makes him quite a bit more valuable. He is also considered a better prospect based on league wide prospect lists, FWTW.

But as you say, Colemen and Kadri have value in itself, and Calgary isn't getting much premium value back in the trade. A Dallas first is a late first. And Bourque is a decent prospect but he's small and the jury is still out as to whether he rode Stankoven's shirttails year. He's not premium by any means.

[gvitaly]

I wouldn't make that trade if I were in DAL's shoes. It essentially narrows down their window to the next 2-3 years.

Dallas did very well at drafting and developing. I think they'll have to pay another young guy(aside from Johnston, Harley and Bourque) sooner than later.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Would Dallas or Conroy do this:

Kadri + Coleman + Pelletier + Hanley
For
Seguin + Mavrik Bourque + 1st 2026 (unprotected)

Makes Dallas much stronger and deeper for the next 2-3 years.

CGY gets a good C prospect that can play now and a future 1st. Seguin can also replace Kadri and Coleman as a veteran leader and probably can more easily shift to the wing once a stud C prospect comes in (or Zary shows awesomeness at C).

You can probably just offer sheet Bourque next summer and try to get him for a third round pick.

[Royle9]

I don’t have details yet, but there’s apparently smoke around Rasmus wanting out.
Again I cannot confirm via my source but there’s definitely significant interest.

I personally feel like he starts the year in CGY at the very least, but the rumblings indicate it could be on the horizon? Not sure personally how I feel about it, I’d assume we could get quiet a good package.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Oh, please. The Flames don't have a patent on trading cap space for assets. Arizona did it for years and years.

They patented it

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Think that's pretty bad for the Flames to be honest.

Pelletier and Bourque are similar, so if it breaks down to Kadri + Coleman for Seguin + 1st 2026 that is terrible.

I don't think Bourque is much better than Pelletier. Pelletier is only 10 months older and if you look at their QMJHL and AHL careers it's pretty similar.

Pelletier:
OMJHL - 1.31 PPG
AHL - 0.93 PPG

Bourque:
QMJHL - 1.37 PPG
AHL - 0.88 PPG

Very much a case of "the other teams prospect is just shinier than ours". Pelletier's injury concerns this past season suck, but his AHL performance prior to that was great and it's being overlooked.

I'm not even sure I'd love the deal if you took out Pelletier though.

Kadri: 5 x $7.0M
Coleman: 3 x $4.9M

for

Seguin: 3 x $9.85M
1st
Bourque

That's probably more fair I guess, but Seguin has the worst contract in the trade and not sure the Flames are really being compensated for that. Feel like the Flames could get a 1st for each of Kadri and Coleman without having to take on a deal like Seguins.

Keep in mind the Flames have to meet the cap floor.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I don’t have details yet, but there’s apparently smoke around Rasmus wanting out.
Again I cannot confirm via my source but there’s definitely significant interest.

I personally feel like he starts the year in CGY at the very least, but the rumblings indicate it could be on the horizon? Not sure personally how I feel about it, I’d assume we could get quiet a good package.

I could see Florida being interested, they need RD and he fits their age structure.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I could see Florida being interested, they need RD and he fits their age structure.

I could see them being interested as well. Good fit with the Tkachuk connection too. The problem is I don’t think Florida has the assets to make the trade. There would have to be a first round pick involved or an A-level prospect and they don’t have either of those right now - I think their next first round pick is in 2027 but I could be wrong.