08-26-2024, 09:37 AM
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#9821
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Lifetime Suspension
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Without PP time he is useless.
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08-26-2024, 09:39 AM
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#9822
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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I don't think any PTO make sense for the Flames. If you want Kilngberg to pump and dump just give him a cheap one year deal. Otherwise you take time away from your players to showcase a guy to sign elsewhere.
I think the injuries have done him in, so I'd avoid him.
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08-26-2024, 10:00 AM
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#9823
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
I don't think any PTO make sense for the Flames. If you want Kilngberg to pump and dump just give him a cheap one year deal. Otherwise you take time away from your players to showcase a guy to sign elsewhere.
I think the injuries have done him in, so I'd avoid him.
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I was thinking about a potential pump and dump, but the injuries are a big question mark, which is why I wouldn't mind seeing him in camp first.
As far as play time in camp, I think we have about 8-9 games, which would be more than enough to give the D competing for spots 3-5 games each.
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08-26-2024, 10:10 AM
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#9824
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
I don't think any PTO make sense for the Flames. If you want Kilngberg to pump and dump just give him a cheap one year deal. Otherwise you take time away from your players to showcase a guy to sign elsewhere.
I think the injuries have done him in, so I'd avoid him.
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Agreed, I would second, PTO's would not be useful in any manner
In terms of Klingberg, he had surgery that ended his season. Can he even return? Or will he retire....
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08-26-2024, 10:13 AM
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#9825
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Our Jessica Fletcher
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Klingberg has to be the cautionary tale to young players who get offered a big, guaranteed contract. Take the money while it's being offered - don't dick around thinking you can find/earn another 10%.
Didn't he decline a 7yr/$42m extension from the Stars? He's made $11.150m in the 2yrs since, and is PTO-fodder today.
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08-26-2024, 12:22 PM
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#9826
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fonz
Klingberg has to be the cautionary tale to young players who get offered a big, guaranteed contract. Take the money while it's being offered - don't dick around thinking you can find/earn another 10%.
Didn't he decline a 7yr/$42m extension from the Stars? He's made $11.150m in the 2yrs since, and is PTO-fodder today.
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That was one of the biggest contract missteps I've ever seen.
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08-26-2024, 01:14 PM
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#9827
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
That was one of the biggest contract missteps I've ever seen.
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Sometimes flubs are in your teams best interest. Flames have done that with a few folks that said no, luckily.
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08-26-2024, 01:17 PM
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#9828
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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The only PTO I'd have any interest in is Zadina, and that's only if multiple incumbents get hurt.
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08-26-2024, 01:23 PM
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#9829
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Klingberg will help with the tank. Welcome to the Flames, Klingy.
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08-26-2024, 01:35 PM
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#9830
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Swayman asking for $10mil/year.
https://www.audacy.com/weei/sports/b...medium=twitter
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Now, we might be getting an idea of why there’s still some real work to do in these negotiations. During Monday’s debut of WEEI’s new midday show, Jones & Keefe, host Rich Keefe provided a scoop regarding what Swayman is asking for.
“Jeremy Swayman, looking for $10 million a year,” Keefe said. “That is the scoop that I have. He is looking for $10 million a year. That would put him with Sergei Bobrovsky and Carey Price [at the top of the goalie market].”
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08-26-2024, 01:39 PM
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#9831
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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That's outrageous.
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08-26-2024, 01:49 PM
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#9832
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
That's outrageous.
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Heck of a starting point at the very least
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08-26-2024, 01:50 PM
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#9833
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Bingo's Official Offspring
Yes My Dad Knows I'm Here
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
That's outrageous.
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It's just smart negotiating. Always aim high.
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08-26-2024, 01:52 PM
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#9834
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Sure, but reasonably high lol. This just knocks $2M off his ask right away and creates a divide IMO.
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08-26-2024, 01:55 PM
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#9835
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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There was a rumour that last year, arbitration didn't go super well with Swayman. He apparently wanted to sign a reasonable long term deal at the time, but the Bruins preferred a bridge and took him to arbitration. I think they will regret that decision.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/495...ration-bruins/
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08-26-2024, 01:57 PM
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#9836
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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So a divide already exists lol
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08-26-2024, 01:57 PM
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#9837
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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Why did they trade Ullmark before locking down Swayman?
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08-26-2024, 02:04 PM
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#9838
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dustygoon
Why did they trade Ullmark before locking down Swayman?
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Hubris
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08-26-2024, 02:17 PM
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#9839
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
Sure, but reasonably high lol. This just knocks $2M off his ask right away and creates a divide IMO.
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$10M is probably a good starting point TBH.
Top 5 Salary Cap Hit
Price: $10.5M
Bobrovsky: $10M
Vasilevskiy: $9.5M
Hellebuyck: $8.5M
Sorokin: $8.25M
Top 5 Save Percentage Last 2 Seasons
Ullmark: .927
Hellebuyck: .921
Swayman: .918
Sorokin: .916
Shesterkin: .914
Based on his last two seasons his ask is going to be "Pay me like a top 5 goalie". Average of those top 5 highest paid goalies is $9.35M and his end goal is probably to land around $9.0M ... so $10M isn't a bad starting point. Shesterkin is probably also looking for a deal between $9 and $10 on his next contract after this season.
Boston for sure probably arguing to give him less than the Sorokin / Hellebuyck type of deal though which is in that $8M range.
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Originally Posted by dustygoon
Why did they trade Ullmark before locking down Swayman?
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In the end it probably doesn't impact Swayman negotiations a whole lot, and they wanted to keep the 25 year old instead of the 31 year old.
The real question is if you believe Korpisalo (who was a salary dump) and a late 1st round pick was enough to move Ullmark. And I'd argue it wasn't.
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