American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

It goes both ways. If you think your CP posts regarding what happens in the US have any more impact on stopping rape culture than my posts have on the 2024 US election, you're the one who needs to give your head a shake.

I'm pretty confident that, even though denouncing rape culture on CP probably has a minimal positive effect on the local community, it's still larger than the negative effect it would have on the presidential election.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by rubecube

You don't get to call yourself anti-rape when you're:

a) saying things like "accusations aren't facts" about a guy who has over a dozen allegations against him

and

b) telling survivors and their allies they should shut up when it's not politically convenient for you to let them speak up.

You don't get to complain about strawmen when you make disgusting, revolting ones against others.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Take a look at the graph on RCP for PN. She just continues to trend upwards. Even Rasmussen, a notoriously R-leaning pollster, only has Trump +1. I believe he was +5 with them a week ago.

I've also been reading that they've had a huge surge of volunteer registrations in Florida over the last few weeks, so that could be back in play at some point as well.

Like I said a couple of days ago; I don't want to get my hopes up, but I think the final map will be closer to 2012 than 2016 or 2020.

EDIT: Trump won Maine's second district by about 8 points in 2020 and is currently trailing Harris there by 5.

There are two major ballot amendments that will drive democrats out in droves: one is on recreational marijuana (currently only for medical access with a card), the other is on abortion access until fetal viability, which would significantly add time for abortion access to the current 6 week ban.

That, coupled with the actual polling data here shifting significantly towards democrats in recent weeks (for example, Rick Scott's senate seat...he went from a double digit lead in the polls, sometimes as high as 15 points, down to a 4 point lead in recent weeks), makes me think that Florida is actually in play. I won't be surprised if it still goes red, but it will be closer than a lot of people realize.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

You don't get to complain about strawmen when you make disgusting, revolting ones against others.

Hasn't the last few pages been you telling people that they shouldn't keep complaining about Clinton speaking because it'll help Trump win, or did I hallucinate that?

EDIT: Your entire schtick in this thread has been trying to bully and shame people with reasonable criticisms of the Democratic Party to STFU because they have the ability to swing the entire presidential election. It's so comically deranged that it's beyond parody at this point.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Okay. I guess I'll just abandon my morals and values if the Americans Lanny knows don't care about them.

Silly me for thinking rape is wrong when apparently most Americans do not.

Is your entire moral compass derived from Pew Research polls?

Who said rape is not wrong? NO ONE. You're pissing and moaning about something everyone agrees on and isn't challenging you on. What they are saying is the DNC has every right to trot out a former POTUS to make an endorsement and consolidate party unity. That is the only thing that matters with this political theatre nonsense. No one is endorsing Clinton or his behaviors. No one is saying the DNC is standing behind what he has done in the past. NO ONE. You're building this argument all by yourself - with maybe a little help from Mathdog - and trying to project it on anyone who will state the obvious about this being a nothing burger.

When I cast my vote in a few weeks I'll be certain to voice your outrage by writing in "NOT rapist Bill Clinton" for some meaningless position on the ballot. That'll show those capitalist pigs!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

You realize Bill is not the nominee for president in 2024?

Oh, for real? Damn. Now it makes even less sense why you’re so against people criticizing Bill Clinton and the DNC for inviting him.

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I'm both anti-Republican and anti-rape. But I see the big picture and understand that Trump and the groups pushing Project 2025 want to turn America into Gilead, and yes I do think preventing that from happening is far, far more important than fixating on what may have happened 30 years ago.

Thank goodness I can note that Bill Clinton is an alleged rapist and still vote Blue then. Best of both worlds! Who you voting for?

Originally Posted by Mathgod

If Trump wins, no it's not ultimately going to matter what Bill did 30 years ago. It's like if you go for a run nonstop for 3 days without resting or drinking water, and collapse and die, it's not going to matter how good of shape you got into from the running. Or, if you're a clerk at a store, if a customer pulls a gun on another customer and demands all the money from the till, you give the money because you understand that a person's life is more important than money.

Yeah, no. It will matter regardless of whether he wins or not. He hasn’t one yet and you’re already saying it doesn’t matter.

It matters to the people involved. It should matter to you, regardless of anything else.

Originally Posted by Mathgod

It goes both ways. If you think your CP posts regarding what happens in the US have any more impact on stopping rape culture than my posts have on the 2024 US election, you're the one who needs to give your head a shake.

Not really. I’m not the one begging people to stop talking about the rape and pretending there are these wild consequences if they don’t.

[Looch City]

You're all wrong. Special guest is Elon Musk.

Plot twist!

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yeah, but what’s being argued is that not only do people care, but that even bringing it up could hand the country over to the fascists.

This is French Revolution/Reign of Terror level stuff.

"You're either with the Revolution, or an enemy of it! So if you have a problem with the 10,000 people who've had their heads removed, yours gets removed too!"

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Hasn't the last few pages been you telling people that they shouldn't keep complaining about Clinton speaking because it'll help Trump win, or did I hallucinate that?

EDIT: Your entire schtick in this thread has been trying to bully and shame people with reasonable criticisms of the Democratic Party to STFU because they have the ability to swing the entire presidential election. It's so comically deranged that it's beyond parody at this point.

You accused me of telling survivors to shut up. I said no such thing.

Now you're accusing me of bullying and shaming. I've done no such thing.

All I'm asking is for people to see the big picture; defeating Trump is priority #1, and there is a very big gap between that and any other consideration.

Calling out sexual abusers is important. Of course it is. But I do find it telling when someone specifically chooses the most politically damaging moment to point out one speaker on one night of the Dem convention who has accusations against him, and use it to create a firestorm of demonization of the Democratic party.

You want to talk about shticks? Your entire shtick is to dump on the Democratic party and paint them in the worst possible light every chance you get. You've been doing it for many years.

[HOOT]

Both parties suck. Both parties have rapist/accused rapists in their camps. Both have good and bad people. Voting is basically 50/50 and no amount of chatter in here will change that. So let’s get back to what matters most, making fun of Trump and JD!


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[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

This is French Revolution/Reign of Terror level stuff.

"You're either with the Revolution, or an enemy of it! So if you have a problem with the 10,000 people who've had their heads removed, yours gets removed too!"

I appreciate the cherry on top of them doing flat out Trumpian actions while screaming about how he’s the end of civilization. Say something, have it pointed out, deny ever saying it, and then hurl accusations back at the person who brought it up. It’s a level of cognitive dissonance I am almost envious of.

[Mathgod]

[Azure]

Hey, they're saying George W Bush might speak at the DNC!

Repeat after me, "DNC love them some warmongerers".

Maybe Karl Rove will be next.

Right after Dick Cheney.

It literally falls perfectly in line with the Democrat Party (did I say that right, someone ask Cube Inmate or he might start crying) policy with Israel. Bombs away!

[GirlySports]

you know what would be a win? If they could start Kamala's speech before 11 Eastern.

[direwolf]

5 pages of arguing back and forth over Bill Clinton, lol. Slow news day?

[MRCboicgy]

I had flight tracking on my 3rd monitor all afternoon as the avgeek angle of possibly being TayTay was more interesting to me than whomever shows up.

If it's her or Queen Bey, they were flying in on something offline from ADS-B

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Taylor Swift would never endorse a candidate. She likes money too much. She couldn’t even be bothered to come out and oppose trump when he used AI images of her.

It’ll be Beyoncé.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Wait if you just post the thing that I did when I was melodramatically over the top mocking you it ruins the whole bit.

I guess I just don't know what to say to someone who outright mocks someone for warning people about the danger of Trump getting back into power.

It's about as unbelievable as it gets. I don't know if there's even words for that.

You can point your finger at me and try to make me out to be a monster for thinking the future of the world is more important than things that possibly happened 30 years ago. If that's your jam, go ahead and do that I guess. But if your goal is to get the world to a better place where there's less (preferably none at all) sexual abuse happening, making a huge deal about Bill Clinton at the DNC isn't the way to do it.

Look, we need to all be on the same team here. We have a shared goal of getting to a better world where climate change is tackled, poverty is reduced or eliminated, inequality is reduced, and everyone is free to live their lives without fear of persecution, violence, abuse of all kinds. Let's try to get there, while avoiding pitfalls along the way. Trump winning is one of those pitfalls.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Taylor Swift would never endorse a candidate. She likes money too much. She couldn’t even be bothered to come out and oppose trump when he used AI images of her.

It’ll be Beyoncé.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ident-n1242483

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Taylor Swift would never endorse a candidate. She likes money too much. She couldn’t even be bothered to come out and oppose trump when he used AI images of her.

It’ll be Beyoncé.

Hasn’t she been fairly vocal against Trump?