American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I never said it was ok (accusing me of saying this quite frankly revolting). I'm saying there is an election that Democrats absolutely must win, with the stakes so high that literally nothing else matters if Trump wins. Good luck reigning in the power of rich and powerful men in the world Trump and his Heritage Foundations buddies are poised to usher in.

I never said you said it was okay, so relax. You mentioned the future I just think stopping old rich white pervs from abusing young vulnerable people should be one of our goals to make a better future, no?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Not saying from the DNC. The cultish "don't criticize Democrats, regardless of what they do or else you're just a Trump supporter," from Dem supporters in this thread is what we're referring to.

No one is saying don't criticize Democrats. They are very deserving of criticism being the spineless losers they have been for decades. What people are saying is understand the reasons and motivations to why things are done the way they are. We get it. You don't like Clinton. You don't have to like Clinton to understand that the endorsement of a past POTUS is gold in the US system of elections and public opinion.

Equating leftists with Trump supporters for valid criticisms of the Democratic party, and then bitching about purity tests is quite something, too.

I don't see a valid criticism. All I see is you pissing and moaning about something that pretty well everyone acknowledged - Bill Clinton is a slimy piece of work. Get over that. This is not about the court of your opinion, or your Canadian sensibilities, this is American politics and the endorsement of a past POTUS. I wonder what your hot take would be if W. came out and endorsed a candidate? Would you be all about the endorsement, or would you wet your pants about a war criminal being allowed to speak?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I never said it was ok (accusing me of saying this quite frankly revolting). I'm saying there is an election that Democrats absolutely must win, with the stakes so high that literally nothing else matters if Trump wins.

"The stakes are so high that literally nothing else matters, but also don't criticize them for doing things that could cost them votes in such a high stakes affair."

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The cringiest person to ever be nominated for VP and it's not even close.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1826674904806424962

Worker: "glazed or plain?"

JD: "plain, I like to glaze them myself"


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[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I don't see a valid criticism. All I see is you pissing and moaning about something that pretty well everyone acknowledged - Bill Clinton is a slimy piece of work. Get over that. This is not about the court of your opinion, or your Canadian sensibilities, this is American politics and the endorsement of a past POTUS. I wonder what your hot take would be if W. came out and endorsed a candidate? Would you be all about the endorsement, or would you wet your pants about a war criminal being allowed to speak?

Oh good, Lanny's back on his high-horse about being so much better informed than us Canadian plebs. Yawn.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by rubecube

"The stakes are so high that literally nothing else matters, but also don't criticize them for doing things that could cost them votes in such a high stakes affair."

I've made it very clear that it's fine to criticize their decision to invite him to speak. A simple "inviting Bill to speak was a bad idea" would have sufficed. As oppose to lighting the thread ablaze with it, while saying nothing positive about the rest of the convention.

Originally Posted by Ped

I never said you said it was okay, so relax. You mentioned the future I just think stopping old rich white pervs from abusing young vulnerable people should be one of our goals to make a better future, no?

Hence not helping Trump get elected.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I've made it very clear that it's fine to criticize their decision to invite him to speak. A simple "inviting Bill to speak was a bad idea" would have sufficed. As oppose to lighting the thread ablaze with it, while saying nothing positive about the rest of the convention.

My bad. I didn't realize there was a quota of positive things one must say about the Democrats before criticizing them, lest I be a dastardly Trump supporter in disguise.

[ResAlien]

I hope the surprise guest tonight is Epstein. He didn’t die…and he’s voting blue

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I hope the surprise guest tonight is Epstein. He didn’t die…and he’s voting blue

Hey now, that stuff happened years ago! Stop re-litigating the past, fascist!

[rubecube]

Brief levity break.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1826737203277693206

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Hence not helping Trump get elected.

Please stop with this. It literally does not matter what is said in this thread. It’s 90% the same group of guys that have been around for the last 10-20 years and nobody here is or isn’t voting Trump based on this thread. Just stop.

And hey, if you want to blame someone for helping get Trump elected, blame the DNC. They invited the guy. It’s absurd to try to blame people who take issue with it, like Republicans are waiting to see what the reaction is on CalgaryPuck before they restock the ammo.

“Holy moly Don! I read here on the local Calgary message board that Billy is a RAPIST!! We gotta use that!!”

Give your head a shake.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Brief levity break.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1826737203277693206

What don't we know about Katy Perry?

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Just catching up on the Bill Clinton stuff in here, it seems most would welcome Dillon Dube back at training camp with open arms in a few weeks?

I always knew this place was full of closet greasers.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Oh good, Lanny's back on his high-horse about being so much better informed than us Canadian plebs. Yawn.

Where am I wrong? All your pissing and moaning is just that. Americans don't care about the issues you raise, don't share your values, or care about your bruised sensibilities. Americans think people like you are weird.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Brief levity break.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1826737203277693206

As soon as people started saying Taylor Swift I started bracing myself for something exactly this ####ty to happen lol.

“We heard you guys wanted Taylor Swift… well… here’s one better. Introducing: MEGHAN TRAINOR!!!”

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Where am I wrong? All your pissing and moaning is just that. Americans don't care about the issues you raise, don't share your values, or care about your bruised sensibilities. Americans think people like you are weird.

This dude isn’t even American he just happens to have retired in Phoenix.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Where am I wrong? All your pissing and moaning is just that. Americans don't care about the issues you raise, don't share your values, or care about your bruised sensibilities. Americans think people like you are weird.

Okay. I guess I'll just abandon my morals and values if the Americans Lanny knows don't care about them.

Silly me for thinking rape is wrong when apparently most Americans do not.

Is your entire moral compass derived from Pew Research polls?

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

In your estimation, how many rapes and sexual assaults should be we OK with compared to a Trump presidency? What’s the rape and sexual assault threshold before a Trump presidency actually becomes preferred? 100? 1000? Unlimited?

If we’re judging this based on combined suffering.

Ballpark is fine.

You realize Bill is not the nominee for president in 2024?

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’m not making any strawmen, I’m following the only natural and logical conclusion to the logic you’re using.

“You only mention rape related to Clinton because you’re anti-Democrat”
- Logically suggests you only mention rape related to Trump because you’re anti-Republican

I'm both anti-Republican and anti-rape. But I see the big picture and understand that Trump and the groups pushing Project 2025 want to turn America into Gilead, and yes I do think preventing that from happening is far, far more important than fixating on what may have happened 30 years ago.

Originally Posted by rubecube

You keep making this about the political side of things, whereas I am talking about the human side of things.

Stopping Trump from winning is the most human of human side of things.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It isn’t OK but it also doesn’t matter?

If Trump wins, no it's not ultimately going to matter what Bill did 30 years ago. It's like if you go for a run nonstop for 3 days without resting or drinking water, and collapse and die, it's not going to matter how good of shape you got into from the running. Or, if you're a clerk at a store, if a customer pulls a gun on another customer and demands all the money from the till, you give the money because you understand that a person's life is more important than money.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Please stop with this. It literally does not matter what is said in this thread. It’s 90% the same group of guys that have been around for the last 10-20 years and nobody here is or isn’t voting Trump based on this thread. Just stop.

And hey, if you want to blame someone for helping get Trump elected, blame the DNC. They invited the guy. It’s absurd to try to blame people who take issue with it, like Republicans are waiting to see what the reaction is on CalgaryPuck before they restock the ammo.

“Holy moly Don! I read here on the local Calgary message board that Billy is a RAPIST!! We gotta use that!!”

Give your head a shake.

It goes both ways. If you think your CP posts regarding what happens in the US have any more impact on stopping rape culture than my posts have on the 2024 US election, you're the one who needs to give your head a shake.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

You realize Bill is not the nominee for president in 2024?

I'm both anti-Republican and anti-rape. But I see the big picture and understand that Trump and the groups pushing Project 2025 want to turn America into Gilead, and yes I do think preventing that from happening is far, far more important than fixating on what may have happened 30 years ago.

You don't get to call yourself anti-rape when you're:

a) saying things like "accusations aren't facts" about a guy who has over a dozen allegations against him

and

b) telling survivors and their allies they should shut up when it's not politically convenient for you to let them speak up.