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Old 08-19-2024, 11:14 AM   #61
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Flames should make an offer here. Vladdar plus plus.

Run with two of the best goalie prospects on the planet, and see who rises to the top.
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I doubt it's on the table but I wouldn't hesitate to trade Wolf for Askarov. I think the latter is the best goalie prospect in the NHL, though Wallstedt also in the conversation.
The only reason I wouldn’t be okay with this is irrational fears of repeating Kidd/Brodeur. Just a different way.
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Wolf would be in the same situation there, so I'm not sure that would be the ask. Maybe Vladar plus gets you in the door to negotiate.
Vladar? Their whole thing is that they're set in goal (starter, back up + Askarov) to the point of a goalie asking for a trade.
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Old 08-19-2024, 11:17 AM   #64
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Could see this. Leafs need quality without huge cap hit. Askarov fits with what they want. Treliving rarely likes to trade prospects but has never been afraid to trade picks. Could see him do a pick heavy deal for Askarov.
Nashville is in win now mode, there's little chance they're looking at a futures deal, they will want a young to mid, cost controlled piece that can help win now.
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Old 08-19-2024, 11:20 AM   #65
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I just don't want him to go to SJ and turn into a top 5 guy. That would be particularly bad for the Flames, given where the two teams are at in their rebuild cycles.
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Andersson would be the ask IMO.

Tomasino + Askarov for Andersson...feels pretty close in value TBH.

Preds have Josi and Skjei as top 4 on the LH side, but on the RH side only have Carrier, Schenn, and Fabbro.
I would be thrilled with Tomasino & Askarov. Although I'm pretty sure Nashville would ask for more in return than just Andersson, even if there's retention involved.
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Vladar? Their whole thing is that they're set in goal (starter, back up + Askarov) to the point of a goalie asking for a trade.
Which is why the Wolf suggestion wouldnt really do anything for them. At least Vladar is known quantity. He wouldn't be of value here any longer unless another trade.
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Would Marner waive to go to Nashville.

I've said numerous times that Marner will eventually go. He just doesn't want to give up his position that he's willing to go to anyone. He's a fragile guy when it comes to criticism (I get it, at times I can be the same especially if I feel it's undue). The second he or the team goes through a tough stretch, eyes will immediately turn to him. He knows it. If it's a compelling city for him, I have no doubt he'll go. There just has to be an incentive. Marner for Askarov would be giving up too much for the Leafs though. Probably a bigger set of stuff going from Nashville, I'd guess.
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I've said numerous times that Marner will eventually go. He just doesn't want to give up his position that he's willing to go to anyone. He's a fragile guy when it comes to criticism (I get it, at times I can be the same especially if I feel it's undue). The second he or the team goes through a tough stretch, eyes will immediately turn to him. He knows it. If it's a compelling city for him, I have no doubt he'll go. There just has to be an incentive. Marner for Askarov would be giving up too much for the Leafs though. Probably a bigger set of stuff going from Nashville, I'd guess.
Nashville also has like 3 million in cap. Marner makes 10 they can't just take on his full salary.
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Which is why the Wolf suggestion wouldnt really do anything for them. At least Vladar is known quantity. He wouldn't be of value here any longer unless another trade.
Right, but Vladar also has no value for Nashville, hence why I suggested starting with Vladar is a non starter.
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If it’s for Askarov, I would back up the truck. Considering how many firsts we have in the next few years, I wouldn’t hesitate to give one up if that’s part of the price.

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I doubt it's on the table but I wouldn't hesitate to trade Wolf for Askarov. I think the latter is the best goalie prospect in the NHL, though Wallstedt also in the conversation.
As much as we are all fans of Wolf, and as much as it’s hard to swallow for Flames fans, this is accurate.
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Move Wolf in a separate deal.
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Ohh....I hate to say this. I hate it.

But I'd be okay with retaining some Cap and moving Coleman.

He is currently my favourite player, but he's not going to win anything here.

If he got us some picks and/or young assets?

I'm leaving it there because I'd more than happily keep Blake Goalman.
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If it’s for Askarov, I would back up the truck. Considering how many firsts we have in the next few years, I wouldn’t hesitate to give one up if that’s part of the price.
That would be counter productive in my mind.

Unless someone is offering us a 22 year old #1C we should be moving zero picks the next 3 years.
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If it’s for Askarov, I would back up the truck. Considering how many firsts we have in the next few years, I wouldn’t hesitate to give one up if that’s part of the price.
I'm feeling this way too. Especially since we'll likely recoup more picks at the deadline in separate deals.

Also need to be realistic and assume not every 1st rounder will hit.
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Nashville's ask from us would likely be Wolf. Would you be willing to do Wolf for Askarov, straight up?
Pretty sure they would rather have a top end prospect in a different position.

With our depth in the defense and wings, I would love to make a prospect swap of Coronato for Askarov. *IF* we were in on Askarov. I think it would be best if we stuck to wolf and Vladar though. Give Wolf the confidence that we believe in him and want him to be our future starter. I bet the ask is insane too.
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I'm feeling this way too. Especially since we'll likely recoup more picks at the deadline in separate deals.

Also need to be realistic and assume not every 1st rounder will hit.
Who do we have left to trade? I can't see anyone outside of Andersson getting us a 1st back in any trade.

Kadri, Huberdeau, Backlund and Weegar are not being traded, and Huberdeau for sure would cost us something to trade not get us a 1st.

That leaves Coleman, and I don't know if he gets a first.
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https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/barry-trotz-n...uest-1.2163627

The statement from Trotz makes it seem like he hasn't yet approached the team?
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Who do we have left to trade? I can't see anyone outside of Andersson getting us a 1st back in any trade.

Kadri, Huberdeau, Backlund and Weegar are not being traded, and Huberdeau for sure would cost us something to trade not get us a 1st.

That leaves Coleman, and I don't know if he gets a first.
Well it'd definitely be situational on which teams will be in the hunt going into the deadline but I'd say Andersson, Coleman, and Kuzmenko if he can keep his production up which I think he will with the ice time he'll get.

I also didn't necessarily mean strictly a 1st in my post when I say picks. After last years draft I have a ton of faith in Conroy and the scouting team. I think there's options with guys like Mantha or Pospisil to get a 2nd or 3rd.

I'd personally still take the chance on Askarov even if we don't get a 1st back in separate deal.
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