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View Poll Results: What will the Oilers (not you) do?
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Match both
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Match Broberg
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Match Holloway
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Match Neither
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08-15-2024, 02:32 PM
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#441
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
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Why did have to bring up the Selanne offersheet...that happened like 10 years before you were born!
I still think it was actually a great idea at the time and the cash strapped Jets were in tough to match. The idea of making that to a guy with no NHL track record caught a lot of people off guard. But turned out he was a great player to target. The Blackhawks went after Keith Tkachuck shortly after with an even more aggressive offer a couple years later. One could argue it was a big reason why the Jets had to trade Selanne to Anaheim before they moved to Phoenix as they were bleeding money at the time.
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08-15-2024, 02:32 PM
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#442
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
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Please tell me Scorp ripped them a bit!
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08-15-2024, 02:47 PM
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#443
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Kelowna, BC
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i liked smid's reference to the oil's D... "it's not terrible" - ha! that doesn't quite ooze a lot of confidence if you ask me
and Scorp - you did great! thanks for sharing the link!
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08-15-2024, 05:08 PM
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#444
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Nice work!
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08-15-2024, 05:46 PM
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#445
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
Why did have to bring up the Selanne offersheet...that happened like 10 years before you were born!
I still think it was actually a great idea at the time and the cash strapped Jets were in tough to match. The idea of making that to a guy with no NHL track record caught a lot of people off guard. But turned out he was a great player to target. The Blackhawks went after Keith Tkachuck shortly after with an even more aggressive offer a couple years later. One could argue it was a big reason why the Jets had to trade Selanne to Anaheim before they moved to Phoenix as they were bleeding money at the time.
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I assume it's mentioned somewhere in the thread, but didn't the Flames do that with Ohlund, too?
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08-15-2024, 06:35 PM
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Appealing my suspension
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I assume it's mentioned somewhere in the thread, but didn't the Flames do that with Ohlund, too?
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Scorp brought it up in his radio spot when the two Edmonton guys were mocking the Flames for the O'Reilly one. He went back to Selanne.
I think it was actually the Leafs who offersheeted Ohlund IIRC 10 million for 5 years. That was in the 90's under totally different rules. I can't remember if by 97 the compensation had been adjusted or if it was still arbitration for a player from another team where both teams submitted their desire.
Those days were fun...Blues got Scott Stevens...lost him a year later when they signed Shanahan. Rangers got Adam Graves from the no goods and gave up Troy Mallete.
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08-15-2024, 06:52 PM
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#447
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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And the Canucks tried to get Shanahan for the Blues signing Nedved - the arbitrator gave the Canucks Janney instead, but he didn't want to go, so they traded him back to St Louis for Brown, Hedican, and Lafayette.
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08-15-2024, 06:57 PM
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#448
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Was there any idea of what the compensation would have been for the Jets if they didn't match the Selanne offer sheet?
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08-15-2024, 07:03 PM
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#449
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Was there any idea of what the compensation would have been for the Jets if they didn't match the Selanne offer sheet?
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Wasn't expected to be much since he had 0 NHL games.
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08-15-2024, 07:34 PM
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#450
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Appealing my suspension
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Typically it was draft picks if the team had them and tied to dollar values. So the Flames might have given up a first there. Still well worth it.
I think the Blues were to cough up 2 firsts to the Capitals when they signed Stevens, but it rose to 5 if neither pick was in the top 7. In those days only 5 teams didn't make the playoffs. Also why they ended up in a lot of arbitration cases after because they didn't have the picks anymore. They were a bit like the Golden Knights in the 90's often causing chaos. Be it Stevens, Shanahan, Nedved...Mike Keenan. Even the Housely for MacInnis trade was essentially them signing MacInnis and forcing the Flames hand.
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08-15-2024, 07:44 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Pretty much, yeah.
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The Capitals, who felt they couldn’t match the deal that also included a $1.4 million signing bonus and made Stevens the highest paid blueliner in the league at the time, let Stevens walk in exchange for a grand total of five first-round picks.
Those five first-round selections turned into just a single season of Stevens in St. Louis, though. During the 1991 off-season, the Blues eyed up another big-time restricted free agent, New Jersey’s Brendan Shanahan. After inking Shanahan to a three-year, $3.015 million contract that the Devils couldn’t match, the Blues needed to find a way to compensate New Jersey as St. Louis’ first-round picks were locked up by the Capitals.
As the story goes, the Devils asked for Stevens as compensation, but were instead met with an offer that included Curtis Joseph, Rod Brind’Amour and two draft choices. New Jersey declined the offer and chose to take St. Louis to arbitration, where a judge ruled in favor of the Devils and awarded them Stevens.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comm...er_sheet_saga/
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08-15-2024, 07:48 PM
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#452
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
Typically it was draft picks if the team had them and tied to dollar values. So the Flames might have given up a first there. Still well worth it.
I think the Blues were to cough up 2 firsts to the Capitals when they signed Stevens, but it rose to 5 if neither pick was in the top 7. In those days only 5 teams didn't make the playoffs. Also why they ended up in a lot of arbitration cases after because they didn't have the picks anymore. They were a bit like the Golden Knights in the 90's often causing chaos. Be it Stevens, Shanahan, Nedved...Mike Keenan. Even the Housely for MacInnis trade was essentially them signing MacInnis and forcing the Flames hand.
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Good old Ron Caron - they also signed Peter Stastny out of Europe to a very expensive deal (at the time), because they had to put him on waivers since he had played in Europe, and the high price tag prevented other teams from taking him.
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08-15-2024, 07:49 PM
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#453
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The Oilers are fooked either way, if they match or not. Also Kane may not play ball and simply go on LTIR the entire year. Good drama setting up.
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08-15-2024, 11:38 PM
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Originally Posted by Ped
Good old Ron Caron - they also signed Peter Stastny out of Europe to a very expensive deal (at the time), because they had to put him on waivers since he had played in Europe, and the high price tag prevented other teams from taking him.
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Ron Caron traded Joey Mullen and Doug Gilmour to the Flames. Caron was accused of running a Flames' farm club and helping mould their Stanley Cup champion team.
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08-16-2024, 05:14 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Saw on my morning perusal that the Blues wanted Broberg and Holloway in a package for Buchnevich, and Holland said no.
Also, that Broberg has never changed wanting out and was very happy to sign the offer sheet, but Holloway had to be talked into it. If that is true, hard to see the Oilers matching Broberg. He throws their salary structure further out of whack, he doesn't want to be there, and they wouldn't be able to trade him for a year. Even is he the most valuable asset, have to wonder how other players would look at a move like that.
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08-16-2024, 07:20 AM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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It's been three days. If the Oilers have any intention of keeping either player, it feels like they would have signed someone by now. If I remember correctly, teams that have matched offer sheets signed by their RFAs have typically done so within a day or two.
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08-16-2024, 07:20 AM
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#457
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Assuming these two guys go through to St. Louis, since McDavid has been drafted, the only first round picks that are with the Oilers organization are Bouchard and the 2024 pick Sam O'Reilly, who they have hardly had a chance to trade. The 2025 pick is gone as well.
That is 2 players left out of 10.
There is no future in Edmonton. They have no prospects. They will continue to go all in and trade more picks and probably O'Reilly away.
Another decade of darkness (which lasts 15 years in Edmonton) is on the horizon.
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08-16-2024, 07:46 AM
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#458
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
It's been three days. If the Oilers have any intention of keeping either player, it feels like they would have signed someone by now. If I remember correctly, teams that have matched offer sheets signed by their RFAs have typically done so within a day or two.
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Sure, but the cap complicates things, or rather the Oilers' cap situation does. Do they want the players? Do they want the players at those price points? If so, what do they have to do to fit one or both of them? Who gets traded to make room?
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08-16-2024, 08:10 AM
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#459
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Crash and Bang Winger
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https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/report-edmont...eets-1.2162752
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Under the public eye and seven-day countdown from Tuesday to match the offer sheets, Garrioch reports interested teams have a set a high price on taking back a contract from the Oilers. He notes the price to move either Ceci's $3.25 million cap hit or Kulak's $2.75 million salary could be a first- or second-round pick as teams feel they have the Oilers front office cornered.
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Do it Oilers. Trade away multiple picks to offload Kulak and/or Ceci so your bottom pairing can be trash with you still millions over the cap and roster spots to fill. Do it.
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08-16-2024, 08:22 AM
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#460
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Ceci in particular is a terrible hockey player. Nobody in their right mind would want him without a significant sweetener.
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