[News] Blues offersheet Broberg (2 yrs, $4.580 mil AAV) and Holloway (2 yrs, $2.290 mil AAV)

[butterfly]

It’s funny because Chicago is St. Louis’s biggest rival. As soon as their disgraced ex-GM shows up somewhere else, they drop this on them.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Oilers fans seem to think that they can get out of this by cap-dumping Ceci and that teams will actually offer... anything back for this honour. The closest to realistic I have read is some online beat writer suggesting "We can dump him and a 4th round pick" which is getting close to reality but is still not there yet.

If they're dumping Ceci in a pure dump, they're losing a 2nd/3rd at a minimum. Team's know they're desperate so it's probably going to cost more.

Basically costs them the picks they get back letting Holloway & Broberg walk

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I suspect "pro athlete" is actually close to royalty for some of these surgeons. They charge the same for everyone, but the prestige around being a surgeon relied on by athletes is a big deal.

But in Edmonton they use Dr. Nick.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Yeah, that's a fair point. Of course NOW $3 million seems like a bargain for both Holloway and Broberg. I mean $1.2 for Holloway is just a touch over market value anyway. Broberg definitely hasn't earned a $1.8 contract yet though.

I suppose the Oilers didn't see the risk as being as high as it ended up being.

Last offer sheet was years ago, and neither player has really proven anything at the NHL level. I certainly was on the side of the fence that an offer sheet to either player was pretty unlikely to happen.

You still have guys like Robertson and Harley sitting around without contracts on teams that could be put over the cap with an offer sheet, and those players have better NHL track records.

The other thing is those were the rumored asks though, I think with some actual negotiation they could probably get them to around $1M for Holloway and $1.6M for Broberg (who pencils into the top 4 for them, even if he's not
Proven yet).

Instead my guess is the Oilers were being a bit arrogant in trying to get these guys to sign for league minimum, thinking nobody would offer sheet them, and they would do it for a chance to win a cup.

[Robbob]

This is a huge move by St. Louis as it really paints the Oilers into a corner. The other thing is if they pull this off it ensures there will be no one coming down the pipe. Them trading their first pick next year only compounds things. I don't know how anyone can sit there with a straight face and believe McDavid and Draisaitl think long term that this is a place where to win. McDavid and Draisaitl will be in their 30s before anyone worth mentioning is developed.

[cannon7]

Am a little surprised something similar hasn't happened to the Bruins with Jeremy Swayman. Bruins have roughly $8.6M in cap space and they need to lock Swayman up long term. A team looking for a goalie might be willing to give up some picks to get him, worst case you force the Bruins into a big ticket long term deal.

Red Wings are in a similar situation with Lucas Raymond and Moritz Seider, but I believe the Red Wings have more cap to work with. But that, too, would be one hell of a swindle.

[Ped]

True, but then again the players always have to be willing to sign. Broberg was pissed at Edmonton last year, and Holloway couldn't have been thrilled with seeing basically no chance for ice time in the top 9.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Am a little surprised something similar hasn't happened to the Bruins with Jeremy Swayman. Bruins have roughly $8.6M in cap space and they need to lock Swayman up long term. A team looking for a goalie might be willing to give up some picks to get him, worst case you force the Bruins into a big ticket long term deal.

Red Wings are in a similar situation with Lucas Raymond and Moritz Seider, but I believe the Red Wings have more cap to work with. But that, too, would be one hell of a swindle.

Detroit has $17M in cap space, I doubt they’re stressing.

I don’t think Swayman is in any hurry to sabotage his relationship with the best organization in hockey.

[calf]

My worry is that as a jaded Flames fan, on top of losing these two guys, McDrai prove to want out right away. Oilers gain a couple first overalls, and suck enough on their own, that they end up winning the McKenna sweepstakes

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Major Major

4th in ice time over 5 games? I thought you were a sample size guy. Here's one, he missed 92 games over his 3 years with the Kings. Pretty sure they weren't too sad to see him go.

You characterized Arvidsson as a guy who lost his role.

5 games is enough of a sample size when its the most important 5 games of the season to conclude that he in fact did not lose his role.

Yeah he's an injury risk, but 60+ games of his 90 missed games were in one season. Odds are he will be healthier than that this season.

When you can add a quality player on a short term value contract, that is a move you have to make.

Yeah Arvidsson is old, and Broberg and Holloway are young, but Arvidsson also scored 60 points in his 22/23 year old season.

Holloway turns 23 in Sept, Broberg is already 23, they are behind him in terms of career arc, and they both already miss around 20 games per season to injury the same as Victor.

Potential is nice, but a really good chunk of NHL players just hit a certain level and then stay there. I hope the Oilers don't get too hung up on youth and potential when evaluating what to do with these offersheets.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by calf

My worry is that as a jaded Flames fan, on top of losing these two guys, McDrai prove to want out right away. Oilers gain a couple first overalls, and suck enough on their own, that they end up winning the McKenna sweepstakes

You're biggest worry is the Oilers lose the best player in the game right?

Some Flames fans here spend far too much time thinking about the Oilers.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Detroit has $17M in cap space, I doubt they’re stressing.

I don’t think Swayman is in any hurry to sabotage his relationship with the best organization in hockey.

The best organization in hockey took a massive dump on him last time he filed for arbitration and by all reports he hasn't forgotten it.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by cannon7

The best organization in hockey took a massive dump on him last time he filed for arbitration and by all reports he hasn't forgotten it.

Every organization ever dumps on players in arbitration.

That’s why it’s there.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The other thing is those were the rumored asks though, I think with some actual negotiation they could probably get them to around $1M for Holloway and $1.6M for Broberg (who pencils into the top 4 for them, even if he's not
Proven yet).

Instead my guess is the Oilers were being a bit arrogant in trying to get these guys to sign for league minimum, thinking nobody would offer sheet them, and they would do it for a chance to win a cup.

Maybe arrogance. Maybe they just don't value the players as much as St. Louis, or maybe they valued that last drop of cap space so highly that they thought it worth the risk to hold out to try and get a few hundred thousand off the cap.

Its pretty common for contract negotiations with players without arb rights to go right until the start of training camp. Happened to Gaudreau, and Monahan, and Dube for the Flames. This year Jarvis, Seider, Raymond, Harley, and others are still unsigned.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Toonage

lol right? How many pro athletes get put on waiting lists. You never hear that

Lol! That jumped out at me too.

Like...pro-athlete needs wrist surgery? That'd have been done yesterday.

Waiting list? Hah! Can't get the surgeon? Sure.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Every organization ever dumps on players in arbitration.

That’s why it’s there.

Doesn't mean damage hasn't been done, just ask Tommy Salo.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by BigThief

You're biggest worry is the Oilers lose the best player in the game right?

Some Flames fans here spend far too much time thinking about the Oilers.

Colorado has the best player in the game.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Robbob

This is a huge move by St. Louis as it really paints the Oilers into a corner. The other thing is if they pull this off it ensures there will be no one coming down the pipe. Them trading their first pick next year only compounds things. I don't know how anyone can sit there with a straight face and believe McDavid and Draisaitl think long term that this is a place where to win. McDavid and Draisaitl will be in their 30s before anyone worth mentioning is developed.

They are completely ####ed.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

It's always hilarious to me that when they're an Oiler, they have all the potential in the world and are worth their weight in gold.

The MINUTE they're gone (in this case, not yet) they become third pairing guys, have bad stats, and aren't as good as others.

If the Oilers match one or both of these contracts, they will again be elevated to blue chip status (that should be paid under-market). LOL.

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

It sounds like the Oilers are run by their version of Dino7c.

Ha, perfect!

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Am a little surprised something similar hasn't happened to the Bruins with Jeremy Swayman. Bruins have roughly $8.6M in cap space and they need to lock Swayman up long term. A team looking for a goalie might be willing to give up some picks to get him, worst case you force the Bruins into a big ticket long term deal.

Red Wings are in a similar situation with Lucas Raymond and Moritz Seider, but I believe the Red Wings have more cap to work with. But that, too, would be one hell of a swindle.

The difference with a Swayman offer sheet is the compensation you would be required to give Boston. your likely in the 2 1st round picks category if you are singing him toa contract the Bruins won't match, you might get away with just sub 9 mil per but still hefty compensation.

$6,871,374 - $9,161,834 1 1st-round pick, 1 2nd-round pick, 1 3rd-round pick
$9,161,834 - $11,452,294 2 1st-round picks, 1 2nd-round pick, 1 3rd-round pick
$11,452,294 or more 4 1st-round picks