[News] Blues offersheet Broberg (2 yrs, $4.580 mil AAV) and Holloway (2 yrs, $2.290 mil AAV)

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Maybe they forgot about these 2 because the Drai negotiations are going so well.

“Dany sorta forgot about the Iron Fleet…” - an Emmy-winning screenwriter

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The only flaw is that the Blues overpaid for crappy Oilers prospects imo. It will be funnier if they pop in St Louis though

Overpaid? It's not really relevant. They have lots of cap space. They can have only overpaid if the cost of a 2nd and 3rd is too much, which it isn't.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

The thing is that Skinner, Henrique, and Arvidsson are substantially better players than Broberg and Holloway.

I am kind of surprised Broberg was valued that highly around the league that a team wanted to throw that kind of money at him. The Holloway contract is only a little high in comparison. Next year when he has arb rights, the Oilers would probably have been looking at paying him $2+ million cap hit with arbitration looming anyway.

$4.5 for Broberg seems pretty far out of line. He was playing 3rd paring minutes in the playoffs and his underlying numbers weren't great. He shot 33% in the playoffs. Might have been a little lucky on his scoring numbers there. He hasn't been really developing much season over season either. Pretty even chance he's never worth $4.5 million.

I guess there is a chance that the Oilers trade Ceci/Kulak and LTIR Kane to keep both Holloway and Broberg, but the prudent move would be to match Holloway, let Broberg go for a second and use that pick as part of a package to bring in another top 4 guy at the deadline.

Oilers are the oldest team in the league, you need youth in your lineup. They just keep getting older.

Oh well.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Staples saying Armstrong wouldn't have done this to Holland since they are golfing buddies.

Hack.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

It's always hilarious to me that when they're an Oiler, they have all the potential in the world and are worth their weight in gold.

The MINUTE they're gone (in this case, not yet) they become third pairing guys, have bad stats, and aren't as good as others.

If the Oilers match one or both of these contracts, they will again be elevated to blue chip status (that should be paid under-market). LOL.

It sounds like the Oilers are run by their version of Dino7c.

[Beninho]

Hopefully teams with cap space have a spine and do not bail them out. Make them pay up the nose and if not let them lose their player(s). So often we see teams get bailed out from orgs who do not know how to value cap space.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Seriously this guy is such a hack.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...g-and-holloway

"If this is a game of hockey hearts, that would definitely be the short-suited Oilers throwing down the Queen of Spades on the Blues and on Edmonton’s NHL competition."

What I find so annoying is that proper reporting is dying off which is bad for everyone. Thank goods for the Rick Westheads of the world and the fine folks at the Athletic who do real reporting.

But hacks like this don't help. The work just isn't good enough.

Again - yesterday he didn't even know the basic rules of offer sheets.

Staples..you f'n hack...you are making your entire profession look bad at a really bad time to do that.

Hack.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

It's always hilarious to me that when they're an Oiler, they have all the potential in the world and are worth their weight in gold.

The MINUTE they're gone (in this case, not yet) they become third pairing guys, have bad stats, and aren't as good as others.

If the Oilers match one or both of these contracts, they will again be elevated to blue chip status (that should be paid under-market). LOL.

I think you'll find the same thing on most forums. You might even say we are guilty of the same thing. Check out the threads on Tkachuk, Gaudreau and Kylington, pre and post Flames.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Henrique, Skinner and arvidsson aren't substantially better than anyone. They're aging players who lost their roles to better, healthier and younger players on bad teams and found their last roles on a team with a void in top 6 wingers.

I'll have to disagree there. Arvidsson was 4th in icetime for King forwards in the playoffs and Henrique was 6th on the Oilers. They were both quality contributors in the playoffs.

Maybe that argument could stick to Skinner a bit, but overall it doesn't really ring true.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

True but the line isn't that long at private facilities and there are numerous doctors that can do a good hip job. IF it's actually needed.

This discussion about "what doctor would perform the surgery" is just dithering at best. If they were serious about it, the surgery would have been done by now. It's been two months.

I'm not defending the oilers.

Just pointing out that the Oilers and Kane aren't royalty at the top tier places.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I'll have to disagree there. Arvidsson was 4th in icetime for King forwards in the playoffs and Henrique was 6th on the Oilers. They were both quality contributors in the playoffs.

Maybe that argument could stick to Skinner a bit, but overall it doesn't really ring true.

It's not that those players are bad.

I'd just argue that all three of them were unnecessary. The Oilers are likely better off with 2/3 of Arvidsson, Henrique, and Skinner, and with both Broberg and Holloway locked up for $3M combined.

Especially from an asset management perspective in the longer term.

[Knut]

They could have let Brown, Perry and Janmark Walk and had Broberg and Holloway signed.

Perry and Brown could have been signed once the season started once Kane went on LTIR.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I'm not defending the oilers.

Just pointing out that the Oilers and Kane aren't royalty at the top tier places.

I suspect "pro athlete" is actually close to royalty for some of these surgeons. They charge the same for everyone, but the prestige around being a surgeon relied on by athletes is a big deal.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I suspect "pro athlete" is actually close to royalty for some of these surgeons. They charge the same for everyone, but the prestige around being a surgeon relied on by athletes is a big deal.

James Andrews built a reputation off of it

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What I find so annoying is that proper reporting is dying off which is bad for everyone. Thank goods for the Rick Westheads of the world and the fine folks at the Athletic who do real reporting.

But hacks like this don't help. The work just isn't good enough.

Again - yesterday he didn't even know the basic rules of offer sheets.

Staples..you f'n hack...you are making your entire profession look bad at a really bad time to do that.

Hack.

We should blame the media companies for allowing these "opinion columnists" to come across as reporters but hide behind the "it's just their opinion" line whenever they get challenged on their writing. Their prominent placement on websites gives weight to their thoughts but the "opinion" line above their article supposedly shields them from doing any fact checking and research. It's brutal.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I'll have to disagree there. Arvidsson was 4th in icetime for King forwards in the playoffs and Henrique was 6th on the Oilers. They were both quality contributors in the playoffs.

Maybe that argument could stick to Skinner a bit, but overall it doesn't really ring true.

4th in ice time over 5 games? I thought you were a sample size guy. Here's one, he missed 92 games over his 3 years with the Kings. Pretty sure they weren't too sad to see him go.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

All of the following are true statements.

1. Arvidsson, when healthy, is a good two way player who is a good fit as a supporting cast member in the Oilers top 6 next to stars.
2. Arvidsson, when healthy, provides more value than his AAV.
3. Arvidsson is often injured.
4. The Oilers will be operating in LTIR this year regardless, due to Kane. If Arvidsson gets injured, they can pull a VGK and use that extra LTIR room at the deadline.
5. Obviously this is all moot if Arvidsson can't play in the playoffs or if he is one of a number of injured key players that keeps them from making the playoffs or puts them in a bad position like VGK was in last year.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's not that those players are bad.

I'd just argue that all three of them were unnecessary. The Oilers are likely better off with 2/3 of Arvidsson, Henrique, and Skinner, and with both Broberg and Holloway locked up for $3M combined.

Especially from an asset management perspective in the longer term.

Yeah, that's a fair point. Of course NOW $3 million seems like a bargain for both Holloway and Broberg. I mean $1.2 for Holloway is just a touch over market value anyway. Broberg definitely hasn't earned a $1.8 contract yet though.

I suppose the Oilers didn't see the risk as being as high as it ended up being.

Last offer sheet was years ago, and neither player has really proven anything at the NHL level. I certainly was on the side of the fence that an offer sheet to either player was pretty unlikely to happen.

You still have guys like Robertson and Harley sitting around without contracts on teams that could be put over the cap with an offer sheet, and those players have better NHL track records.

[Blaster86]

Oilers fans seem to think that they can get out of this by cap-dumping Ceci and that teams will actually offer... anything back for this honour. The closest to realistic I have read is some online beat writer suggesting "We can dump him and a 4th round pick" which is getting close to reality but is still not there yet.

If they're dumping Ceci in a pure dump, they're losing a 2nd/3rd at a minimum. Team's know they're desperate so it's probably going to cost more.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Knut

They could have let Brown, Perry and Janmark Walk and had Broberg and Holloway signed.

Perry and Brown could have been signed once the season started once Kane went on LTIR.

Ah yes. The classic Oiler arms race,


Against themselves.