American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

You basically just described the evangelical right and their views in abortion. They could care less about trump and the fact he’s devoid of morals they should espouse, he’s been effective at one thing. Stacking a court to get what they want on abortion.

Anti-abortion evangelicals make up a march larger voting block than Palestinian supporters. And they’re highly organized and politically engaged. So yeah, they can throw their weight around in the Republican party. And since they can get big wins on their issue by stacking the supreme court, their single-mindedness is politically affective. When Republicans win office. But they’re actually hurting Trump’s odds of re-election, as the abortion issue is a vote-winner for the Democrats (which is why it’s so prominent in their campaigns).

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Yep.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1821730651977945228

[KootenayFlamesFan]

What would Republicans be saying if Biden was still running and making up stories/lying/confused like Trump is?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1821730529168839160

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

New Walz poll from YouGov.

Initially, he had high favorability but low recognition - i.e., favourable minus unfavourable was positive, but the total was under 50%, indicating that most people had no opinion. Now, he's at 41% favorable 30% unfavorable - maintaining a double digit +11 gap, but now increasing his recognition. That's a good sign.

[FireItUp]

This reeks of desperation by the Dems SuperPAC.
They're trying so hard to buy support for Kamala and hate for Trump.
https://nypost.com/2024/08/03/us-new...nlyfans-stars/

https://twitter.com/user/status/1821370607965024312

Their requests are dishonest and disingenuous.

NSFW!

Instead of paying for garbage propaganda, they should work on her policies (No one knows what they are), or at least show some leadership and take an interview with unscripted questions. Why is Harris so scared of unscripted speaking to the public? These are the people they work for.

Never mind, I think we all know why...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1821775283936256123

https://twitter.com/user/status/1575465283325657095

https://twitter.com/user/status/1821619386719072765

[Itse]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Extremely competent shouldn't be the only qualification. Why can't people be disappointed when the candidates capitulate to genocidal regimes and shrink in the face of corporate power?

They can be and they should be, but again: complaining about presidential candidates and/or not voting does nothing to actually get what you want.

You can be be disappointed AND understand that publically shouting at a people who realistically can not take a stance you would like them to take doesn't actually do anything.

If you really care that much, then you should care about what's effective, not just about venting your personal frustration.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Shouldn’t that be Harris’ problem to solve?

I’m pretty sure in every election it’s up to the candidates to get themselves elected and, if there are people they need to get elected who may not, to listen to their voices and address their concerns.

Since when does it fall on the population to put their concerns aside and fall in line?

I don't understand what "fall in line" is means here? US isn't an authoritarian system (yet), you don't have to become a footsoldier for any party. Just be an adult and use the extremely important power that you have asbest as you can.

There are also other elections which are ultimately just as important as presidential elections.

Just generally, it's so incredibly frustrating to watch an election happen that has enormous importance for everyone in the world, including me, knowing that I can't vote in it and then watching people who could vote in it consider not voting for such incredibly childish reasons.

Yeah, I hate the genocide too, but unfortunately it's not an issue you really get to vote on. Just deal with it, that's the world we live in. (Also, Harris would at best be the president in January, at which point whatever is going to happen in Gaza has mostly already happened.)

Like someone said here, the options in this election are a s*** sandwich filled with glass or chicken, and somehow people keep complaining that this isn't the kind of chicken they like. Even if you're a vegetarian, if you have a brain you'd rather have the chicken.

[Senator Clay Davis]

So if saying the N word is how one is defined as black, MAGA is actually the blackest political movement ever?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1821698367421821419

[Paulie Walnuts]

Has Trump said anything about any policies. Drill baby drill.

Crowd sizes I guess compensates for having a micro penis.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Itse

I don't understand what "fall in line" is means here? US isn't an authoritarian system (yet), you don't have to become a footsoldier for any party. Just be an adult and use the extremely important power that you have asbest as you can.

There are also other elections which are ultimately just as important as presidential elections.

Just generally, it's so incredibly frustrating to watch an election happen that has enormous importance for everyone in the world, including me, knowing that I can't vote in it and then watching people who could vote in it consider not voting for such incredibly childish reasons.

Yeah, I hate the genocide too, but unfortunately it's not an issue you really get to vote on. Just deal with it, that's the world we live in. (Also, Harris would at best be the president in January, at which point whatever is going to happen in Gaza has mostly already happened.)

Like someone said here, the options in this election are a s*** sandwich filled with glass or chicken, and somehow people keep complaining that this isn't the kind of chicken they like. Even if you're a vegetarian, if you have a brain you'd rather have the chicken.

It’s also bizarre to watch people narrow in on a group of protestors who actually do care about an important, extremely relevant issue that the government actually can have an impact on and suggest they don’t have a brain, should just “deal with it,” and are being childish. That’s what I mean by “fall in line,” people are literally just being bullies towards these people with the expectation they should just do what they’re told/do what individual posts expect of them and shut up about their concerns until after the election.

It’s also bizarre because there were 81 million people that did not vote in the last election and around 100 million in the election before that. If you think not voting because the government isn’t meeting your expectations on an important issue like genocide is bad, you’d probably not handle well the millions of people who don’t vote because they “didn’t feel like it.” On top of that, there are millions of people who don’t just not vote, but vote Republican against their best interests for the weakest reasons you could possibly imagine, right down to “it’d be funny to vote for Trump.”

Instead of people turning on people they believe to be very close to on their side and salvageable and calling them names and mocking them, perhaps most of the energy (as fruitless as this particular energy is) should be directed towards those that don’t vote (or vote the wrong way) for actually childish, unserious, or selfish reasons. Maybe that’s a smarter way to make the Democratic party look less like it’s filled with pretentious, entitled morons that just expect everyone to vote for them and if they don’t they’re stupid children?

Or don’t. And have fun losing. Hillary did so well.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Honestly, those people that don't vote or vote the wrong way either cannot be reached or might actually get on Kamala's side for showing some chutzpah. Or if they are turned off by that single interaction with a protestor, maybe they're the type of person who is too volatile to try and court anyway.

The problem is, it's so hard to know the motivation of every single voter you're trying to reach, so it's best to stick to a consistent message and ignore the noise around every tiny little subgroup of interest.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s also bizarre to watch people narrow in on a group of protestors who actually do care about an important, extremely relevant issue that the government actually can have an impact on and suggest they don’t have a brain, should just “deal with it,” and are being childish. That’s what I mean by “fall in line,” people are literally just being bullies towards these people with the expectation they should just do what they’re told/do what individual posts expect of them and shut up about their concerns until after the election.

It’s also bizarre because there were 81 million people that did not vote in the last election and around 100 million in the election before that. If you think not voting because the government isn’t meeting your expectations on an important issue like genocide is bad, you’d probably not handle well the millions of people who don’t vote because they “didn’t feel like it.” On top of that, there are millions of people who don’t just not vote, but vote Republican against their best interests for the weakest reasons you could possibly imagine, right down to “it’d be funny to vote for Trump.”

Instead of people turning on people they believe to be very close to on their side and salvageable and calling them names and mocking them, perhaps most of the energy (as fruitless as this particular energy is) should be directed towards those that don’t vote (or vote the wrong way) for actually childish, unserious, or selfish reasons. Maybe that’s a smarter way to make the Democratic party look less like it’s filled with pretentious, entitled morons that just expect everyone to vote for them and if they don’t they’re stupid children?

Or don’t. And have fun losing. Hillary did so well.

Good thing this is message board for discussing how we think about these issues, instead of a campaign center.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Honestly, those people that don't vote or vote the wrong way either cannot be reached or might actually get on Kamala's side for showing some chutzpah. Or if they are turned off by that single interaction with a protestor, maybe they're the type of person who is too volatile to try and court anyway.

The problem is, it's so hard to know the motivation of every single voter you're trying to reach, so it's best to stick to a consistent message and ignore the noise around every tiny little subgroup of interest.

Exactly this. If I have learned anything in my short political career thus far is, you cannot and should not, try to please everyone. You will fail.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Exactly this. If I have learned anything in my short political career thus far is, you cannot and should not, try to please everyone. You will fail.

My vote is for sale.

[FireItUp]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Has Trump said anything about any policies. Drill baby drill.

Crowd sizes I guess compensates for having a micro penis.

Glad you asked. He always talks about the Republican Party platform and policies, it's called Agenda 47 and it's all over his socials and website.
Most people on the left wouldn't know though, they tend to get their information from the reliable news outlets that are completely truthful.
Orange man bad!
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/platform
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jvT...oH92SD9iT8d4z9

Here is the Harris Website.
I wouldn't click it, unless you want to be bombarded with donation buttons and nothing about policies or the Dems platform.
Just give them money, and they'll tell you what they are going to do later.
https://kamalaharris.com/

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Honestly, those people that don't vote or vote the wrong way either cannot be reached or might actually get on Kamala's side for showing some chutzpah. Or if they are turned off by that single interaction with a protestor, maybe they're the type of person who is too volatile to try and court anyway.

The problem is, it's so hard to know the motivation of every single voter you're trying to reach, so it's best to stick to a consistent message and ignore the noise around every tiny little subgroup of interest.

Agree. I think the discussion is under the assumption that the Dems need absolutely everybody, while I think it’s actually fine if they don’t meet the demands of the protestors. Where they’re going to win and lose votes is how they handle them, and “Shut up or else” is just bad.

As well, I just entirely disagree with people who see the protestors as important enough to matter but still treat them with the “shut up and vote Democrat” mentality.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

Glad you asked. He always talks about the Republican Party platform and policies, it's called Agenda 47 and it's all over his socials and website.
Most people on the left wouldn't know though, they tend to get their information from the reliable news outlets that are completely truthful.
Orange man bad!
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/platform
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jvT...oH92SD9iT8d4z9

Here is the Harris Website.
I wouldn't click it, unless you want to be bombarded with donation buttons and nothing about policies or the Dems platform.
Just give them money, and they'll tell you what they are going to do later.
https://kamalaharris.com/

You're not wrong on this. Harris and Walz can only skate along on newfound enthusiasm for so long. They need to get their platform out ASAP.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The issue is that it's not about winning the votes of the protestors. It's about the protestors generating news coverage, not about the substance of what they're protesting but about the fact that they were at the rally being disruptive and there was DRAMA that we can cover, that alters the course of he race at large.

Like, CNN this morning is interviewing some random veteran who's mad at Walz because he left the National Guard after 24 years. Why? Lawrence O'Donnell was... kinda right. And I'm not a big fan of his.

[devo22]

I did nazi that coming.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1821929820420272556

[PsYcNeT]

I'm going to guess the groyper beef is centered around their belief that lack of campaign offices and groundgame from the Trump campaign is going to hand the election to THE NONWHITES and they feel Trump is complicit.