American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[MoneyGuy]

Well, Cat Turd claims to have advised Trump so why not.

[afc wimbledon]

Is it just me or does the idea of Musk egging Trump on in an interview for likes and views sound like a massive dumpster fire inside a clown car crash for Trump?

I mean Trump really needs relatively sane journalist's to reign him in, Musk is going to encourage Trump's inner crazy

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Fox news had someone on tonite with advice for trump about debating/dealing with Harris.
Chachi...it was the actor who played chachi on Happy Days. I guess hulk hogan and kid rock were busy.

So Trump is going to walk around with a red bandana tied around his pantleg and yell "wah wah waaaaah?"

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Tuco

@whynotnow

Let's clear this up—I'm not talking about being afraid of getting assaulted. That's the furthest thing from my mind. What makes me uneasy is having people, pre-op or post-op, sharing the same space as biological males/females. I'm done with this thread.

I understand that you feel weird, but you need to understand that this is 100% a situation where you are weirding yourself out by thinking about the hypothetical genitals of people around you.

This is also the very literal definition of bigotry, and that it's hateful speech even if you don't realize it yourself. You are openly saying that you oppose even the existence of certain people near you. You say that you are worried about what they might do (and yeah, those fears are irrational and silly), but that's not the real problem here.

Again, for you, certain people just existing around you is bad, to an extent that you believe that laws can and should be passed so that certain people couldn't exist around you. Being woke means being against that kind of thinking.

What you are saying is the very definition of hate speech and bigotry, I'm sorry. People that weird you out will always exist no matter how you feel about that, and they have always existed even when you didn't know about them, and they do need to use restrooms and changing rooms like everyone else. They also have a right to work in whatever field they want, and they should be able to compete in sports like everyone else, and just generally they should be allowed to not just exist but to have relatively normal lives.

You don't need to understand something to accept that it's not actually a danger to you or anyone else, and you can learn to accept that all kinds of people have a right to exist around you. You can learn to understand that you are not better or more special than others, and thus you have no right to rule over them.

If you feel weird, feel weird, it's fine. Just understand that you should be an adult about it and keep it to yourself. This is most of what being "woke" means.

We "woke" people do tend to make fun of conservatives, and sometimes evangelicals, and especially these days we are increasingly creeped out by the extremely weird s*** that conservative politicians keep saying.

However, because we are "woke", we are not saying that conservatives should be banned from existing around us. This is the main difference between being woke and not being woke. This is why there is no morally justifiable way to vote conservative in this day and age. Political conservatism has become a fundamentally hateful and immoral political movement, obsessed with dominating over people who are not conservative and making their lives a misery for no other reason than to hurt them. It's no longer about sound policy, it's about control over not just minorities, but also liberals and progressives.

Conservative politics are devoured by the will to ban the existence of certain people and upsetting liberals as a cause in it's own. It's a movement of adults throwing a collective fit over losing their power to not being able to tell other people whether or not they have a right to exist. It's hateful, but it's also childish.

You could grow up too, if you so chose. You don't have to choose to be constantly thinking about unusual human bodies and their genitals, and forming your political identity around such thoughts.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

What else would you wear on your ear?

And they say it’s the Republicans who are weirdos.

Weirdo.

[devo22]

take a bow, Itse. Well said.

I can't get over that Shapiro speech. Holy ####, what a speaker ... especially when you consider the man only found out yesterday that he wouldn't be on the ticket. Surely not the easiest of days for him, and then he knocks that thing out of the park like that? Holy cow. I certainly see the Obama comparisons and I wouldn't be surprised on bit if he became president one day.

Those past few weeks have been absolutely insane. I mean, Donald Trump got ####ing shot at, and absolutely nobody talks about that anymore ... crazy how quickly things have changed and that's why I'm still cautious. Still three months to go, and A LOT can happen until then. But they have an insanely good ticket now, and if they can keep up the enthusiasm and get through the fall without any major scandals, things are looking good.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Dion

Fox News host knocks Trump: ‘You either own the markets or you don’t’

https://ca.yahoo.com/finance/news/fo...133221737.html

Lol the last line of this is so great. "It does confuse me."

So, so close to self awareness.

"Wait a minute. Hold on here.....is this man...full of s***?"

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Honestly if it were true it would be infinitely more acceptable than the #### Trump has actually done... At least you can't victimize a couch.

[wireframe]

Originally Posted by jayswin

That level of hatred should not be tolerated on this board by mods, not for two seconds.

It helps the mods to report posts that break the rules. They can't stay current on every thread

[PepsiFree]

Next time a poster earnestly uses the term “woke” in a political/social context we’ll have to take bets on whether they hate LGBTQ folks, visible minorities, immigrants, or muslims most. Because I swear it’s 100% overlap with one of those things on here, every time.

Though admittedly prefer the guys that come right out with it over the cowards who hide behind opinion pieces, misrepresenting statistics, and tell people they don’t have a right not to be hated.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Itse

I understand that you feel weird, but you need to understand that this is 100% a situation where you are weirding yourself out by thinking about the hypothetical genitals of people around you.

This is also the very literal definition of bigotry, and that it's hateful speech even if you don't realize it yourself. You are openly saying that you oppose even the existence of certain people near you. You say that you are worried about what they might do (and yeah, those fears are irrational and silly), but that's not the real problem here.

Again, for you, certain people just existing around you is bad, to an extent that you believe that laws can and should be passed so that certain people couldn't exist around you. Being woke means being against that kind of thinking.

What you are saying is the very definition of hate speech and bigotry, I'm sorry. People that weird you out will always exist no matter how you feel about that, and they have always existed even when you didn't know about them, and they do need to use restrooms and changing rooms like everyone else. They also have a right to work in whatever field they want, and they should be able to compete in sports like everyone else, and just generally they should be allowed to not just exist but to have relatively normal lives.

You don't need to understand something to accept that it's not actually a danger to you or anyone else, and you can learn to accept that all kinds of people have a right to exist around you. You can learn to understand that you are not better or more special than others, and thus you have no right to rule over them.

If you feel weird, feel weird, it's fine. Just understand that you should be an adult about it and keep it to yourself. This is most of what being "woke" means.

We "woke" people do tend to make fun of conservatives, and sometimes evangelicals, and especially these days we are increasingly creeped out by the extremely weird s*** that conservative politicians keep saying.

However, because we are "woke", we are not saying that conservatives should be banned from existing around us. This is the main difference between being woke and not being woke. This is why there is no morally justifiable way to vote conservative in this day and age. Political conservatism has become a fundamentally hateful and immoral political movement, obsessed with dominating over people who are not conservative and making their lives a misery for no other reason than to hurt them. It's no longer about sound policy, it's about control over not just minorities, but also liberals and progressives.

Conservative politics are devoured by the will to ban the existence of certain people and upsetting liberals as a cause in it's own. It's a movement of adults throwing a collective fit over losing their power to not being able to tell other people whether or not they have a right to exist. It's hateful, but it's also childish.

You could grow up too, if you so chose. You don't have to choose to be constantly thinking about unusual human bodies and their genitals, and forming your political identity around such thoughts.

Well that's about the best post I've read on CP, period. I would hope anyone who voted UCP in our province reads this and reflects.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Looch City

What do these weird Trump people think being woke means exactly?

15min cities and mandatory vaccinations??

Conservatives purposely keep that vague in all their rallies and with their base. It's meant to invoke the big symbolic culture war with the neckbeard and gets said so often that it has lost any meaning at all, so can mean whatever it needs to for the regular racist Republican type.

Republican lawyers were forced to define it in court and came up with "The view that there are systemic injustices in American society, and the need to have policies to address them.". I don't know about you, but anyone who says they are "anti-woke" should be pretty embarrassed to be against that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by devo22

take a bow, Itse. Well said.

I can't get over that Shapiro speech. Holy ####, what a speaker ... especially when you consider the man only found out yesterday that he wouldn't be on the ticket. Surely not the easiest of days for him, and then he knocks that thing out of the park like that? Holy cow. I certainly see the Obama comparisons and I wouldn't be surprised on bit if he became president one day.

Those past few weeks have been absolutely insane. I mean, Donald Trump got ####ing shot at, and absolutely nobody talks about that anymore ... crazy how quickly things have changed and that's why I'm still cautious. Still three months to go, and A LOT can happen until then. But they have an insanely good ticket now, and if they can keep up the enthusiasm and get through the fall without any major scandals, things are looking good.

Sounds like Shapiro was the top choice but he had a difficult time deciding sticking around or running. I think he will help either way.

He’s probably a top candidate already for 2028.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

You don't need to understand something to accept that it's not actually a danger to you or anyone else, and you can learn to accept that all kinds of people have a right to exist around you. You can learn to understand that you are not better or more special than others, and thus you have no right to rule over them.

This is kind of the crux of the issue, though, and why posts like that one always fall on deaf ears. A lot of people think like that Tuco poster and simply will not accept this. They've convinced themselves that transgenderism IS a danger, not to them (of course not, they're very strong and masculine and not at all threatened) but to children. In those circumstances, to "protect the children", extreme behaviour in response to the threat is excusable, even warranted.

This is, of course, the exact playbook that was run with gays, particularly gay men, 30 years ago, and why one of my third grade teachers had to hide who he was for so many years in parent teacher conferences. Bigots don't want to think of themselves as irrationally hateful or fearful for no good reason so they invent a reason that they can justify to themselves. As a result, no amount of mockery or condescension or even well meaning explanation will convince them otherwise. This is what a moral panic is - that's why it's called a panic. Panicked people aren't just unwilling to think rationally, they're incapable.

The only actual cure for this seems to be exposure; i.e., "I actually met and interacted with a trans person and it turns out they aren't the menace I thought they were." Basically the Daryl Davis method.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The only actual cure for this seems to be exposure; i.e., "I actually met and interacted with a trans person and it turns out they aren't the menace I thought they were." Basically the Daryl Davis method.

Most, if not all of them, have already had a non-harmful exposure to a trans person without even knowing it.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Very possibly so, but you're applying rational thought to this again where it doesn't hold sway: it's the fear that matters, not the reality of the situation. Imane Khelif isn't trans, but she represents that fear to them, so "she'll do" as a scapegoat.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Very possibly so, but you're applying rational thought to this again where it doesn't hold sway: it's the fear that matters, not the reality of the situation. Imane Khelif isn't trans, but she represents that fear to them, so "she'll do" as a scapegoat.

Far right politics have always stoked external fears to gain power and votes. It really doesn't matter what the topic is, but for a segment of the population anything said with loud angry noises by their leaders will be their truth. Those type of people are against "socialism", despite not understanding what that means and how it benefits them, and constantly hold up the "Bible" and the "Constitution" whenever it's convenient, despite likely never having read either of them.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This is kind of the crux of the issue, though, and why posts like that one always fall on deaf ears. A lot of people think like that Tuco poster and simply will not accept this. They've convinced themselves that transgenderism IS a danger, not to them (of course not, they're very strong and masculine and not at all threatened) but to children. In those circumstances, to "protect the children", extreme behaviour in response to the threat is excusable, even warranted.

This is, of course, the exact playbook that was run with gays, particularly gay men, 30 years ago, and why one of my third grade teachers had to hide who he was for so many years in parent teacher conferences. Bigots don't want to think of themselves as irrationally hateful or fearful for no good reason so they invent a reason that they can justify to themselves. As a result, no amount of mockery or condescension or even well meaning explanation will convince them otherwise. This is what a moral panic is - that's why it's called a panic. Panicked people aren't just unwilling to think rationally, they're incapable.

The only actual cure for this seems to be exposure; i.e., "I actually met and interacted with a trans person and it turns out they aren't the menace I thought they were." Basically the Daryl Davis method.

If they actually cared about protecting children from groomers and pedophiles, they would be doing everything in their power to keep them away from the statistically most hazardous place for children. Ya, you know already know it's the church.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Far right politics have always stoked external fears to gain power and votes. It really doesn't matter what the topic is, but for a segment of the population anything said with loud angry noises by their leaders will be their truth. Those type of people are against "socialism", despite not understanding what that means and how it benefits them, and constantly hold up the "Bible" and the "Constitution" whenever it's convenient, despite likely never having read either of them.

In fairness, fear-based political campaigns aren't exclusively the purview of the far right, or even the right generally. Hell, the Democrats are campaigning in large part on fear in this election, just as they did in 2020. It's just that in this particular case quite a few of those fears are totally justified.

[Yamer]

I find it far more offensive that these people use children as props and shields than anything they dream up to be offended about.