2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Is there much precedent for a defenceman going in the 8/9/10 range being NHL ready and having a successful career coming in hot? Feels like if a guy was that amazing he’d have gone higher. Even the immortal Cale maker had two years of seasoning.

I couldn't find anyone over the last 20 years.

Dmen generally take longer to develop.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by memphusk

In Penticton last summer. Him and Loubardias were having lunch at some restaurant we went to.

Did you get to speak....or was it more listening? Either way, I'm sure it would be a fun time. You'd have to be the dumbest dolt of Oiler fans to not enjoy getting to hear Conroy talk hockey.

[EVERLAST]

I keep cautiously optimistic about everything as a Flames fan regardless of the hype but something about this kid makes me think if he had a little Dion P in him he'd stick.

Meaning Dion would drop the mitts whenever required and we didn't even need a nuclear deterrent to ensure the opposition knew " you DONT hit the rookie"

Zayne doesn't have that element of toughness physically but to me I'm relieved we will never ever hear from Zayne " DO you know who I am "? This guy when the time comes is captain material ....God...why can't we fast forward a little through thr darkness ???

Oh well. There is light at the end of this tunnel ...I can't wait to be blinded by it.

Go Flames Go

[Paulie Walnuts]

We don't need him to drop the mitts. If he can agitate and make the other team take penalties, he can make em pay on the PP.

[Jason14h]

The most Flames thing ever would be to burn a year on his ELC and have him
Play well enough to get us into 11th last place !

[Calgary4LIfe]

I think we all understand that sending Parekh back to the OHL is the best 'asset management'.



However, if it looks like he makes the team, but then gets sent back down anyway, how happy will he be with the organization? My preference is to send him back as well - let him develop his defensive game, play for Team Canada in the U20, bulk up a little bit, and have his contract slide a year. However, if he comes in an simply shows that he is one of the best 6 options for this team, then out of fairness and goodwill, he should be on the team, period. Lots of strained relationships have happened with prospects realizing that they probably haven't been treated fairly by their respective organizations.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The right thing to do is to do whatever is best for the player. If he shows he should be here, then keep him here. If he isn't ready, send him back down.

But I would argue that following pre-set scripts is asset mis-management - you can't manage people by simply following pre-set guidelines. Sending him down just to save a year of ELC is Oiler-esque mismanagement, if he is in fact NHL ready.

Not saying that he is, but let's see how he looks before we write his story in ink.

Exactly. Nobody is saying he needs to be or even should be in the NHL based on what we know today. At most, people are saying that IF he proves he’s ready for the NHL THEN that’s where he should be. That might happen in September, or October, or 2025 or 2026.

The people acting firm in their belief that he isn’t ready are the ones who need to take a step back. They just don’t know, so there’s no point in pretending. Let him come to camp and do his thing. If he’s not ready, send him down. If he’s earned a start in the NHL, give him his 9 games. If he shows at any point in those 9 he’s not ready, send him down.

The worst thing a team can do is decide where a player belongs before the player has been given a chance to show them where he belongs, especially based on some perception of him in junior or wanting to manage an ELC. I don’t expect the Flames to be so short sighted.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The most Flames thing ever would be to burn a year on his ELC and have him
Play well enough to get us into 11th last place !

If Parekh moves the team into an 11th place finish then I he will be a number #1 dman in the first year of his pro career and likely end up as good as Makar. I'll take it.

[Sylvanfan]

Different time and different era...but Scott Niedermayer was an offensive defenceman in Junior and was selected third overall in the Lindros draft. Point totals on a per game basis are similar to Parehk, but in an era with more scoring.
He actually played center at the end of the season until he got injured as the Blazers had injuries at the position in his draft year.

The Devils kept him up in the NHL until the WJC, let him play there and after the tourney sent him back to Junior.
So in his D+1 they only had him play 4 games until sending him back. I'm not comparing the two players in terms of expectation...but maybe the 9 game audition extends a bit to give Parehk a longer test practicing against NHL players until they send him down so he gets a clear idea of what he needs to do to get his game ready for the NHL. But there's players like Hughes and Makar who were two years in college and went to the NHL at the end of the season. It would be really abnormal for Parehk to play more than 9 games in the NHL.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If Parekh moves the team into an 11th place finish then I he will be a number #1 dman in the first year of his pro career and likely end up as good as Makar. I'll take it.

If he does that in 24-25, he can do the same in 25-26 instead and not give Montreal pick #11.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

If he does that in 24-25, he can do the same in 25-26 instead and not give Montreal pick #11.

Eh, I think the team is bottom five bad and Parekh would have to be the best dman prospect in ages to move them out of the bottom ten. Had about the same chance of happening as Wolf winning the Vezina. It’s not a reason to keep him in the OHL if he is playing like an NHL dman.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Eh, I think the team is bottom five bad and Parekh would have to be the best dman prospect in ages to move them out of the bottom ten. Had about the same chance of happening as Wolf winning the Vezina.

The last time the team was bottom five bad, all it took was one LW prospect and instead of being in the Connor McDavid sweepstakes we made the second round and effectively hooped our next decade

I would take no chances.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I couldn't find anyone over the last 20 years.

Dmen generally take longer to develop.

Drew Doughty?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The last time the team was bottom five bad, all it took was one LW prospect and instead of being in the Connor McDavid sweepstakes we made the second round and effectively hooped our next decade

I would take no chances.

It would be way more impressive with a rookie dman. Anyways it isn’t really relevant. It’s not happening lol. More likely that Florida’s pick doesn’t transfer than Parekh fuelling the Flames to position outside the top ten.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by timbit

Drew Doughty?

He was a top two pick. Jacob Chychryn is more of a comparable as he was picked 16th in 2016 and played 68 games fir the Yotes in the 16-17 season

You know as well as anyone that NHL readiness is a huge factor when it comes to high draft picks. It's not common for defenseman outside the top 3 to spend all of the next season in the NHL.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The last time the team was bottom five bad, all it took was one LW prospect and instead of being in the Connor McDavid sweepstakes we made the second round and effectively hooped our next decade

I would take no chances.

So your revisionist argument is that by signing Gaudreau the Flames screwed the franchise and missed out on McDavid?

There are reaches...and there is that. Possible the most crazy one I've ever read here.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by timbit

Drew Doughty?

He was selected 2nd overall, so did not fit the criteria.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

On the Kylington front I hope the bad blood isn't preventing a deal from getting done. I'd have no issue with him back on a 1 or 2 year deal still.

Its an asset that has pretty high top end potential still and would also allow a bit more flexibility to potentially move Andersson or another dman if the opportunity arises

I’d rather we don’t sign him. I think we know what he is as a player, and at this point signing him means losing development opportunities for someone else.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

So your revisionist argument is that by signing Gaudreau the Flames screwed the franchise and missed out on McDavid?

There are reaches...and there is that. Possible the most crazy one I've ever read here.

No, and that is far from revisionist. The 2014-15 Flames were absolutely considered a McDavid frontrunner, and with Eichel as the consolation prize it was an ideal year to be bad. Gaudreau wasn't the only reason they had an unlikely year... Wideman, Hartley, Bouma, Hiller, Hudler... a lot of things went spectacularly right.

But had we added even Eichel in the draft that year, and then not proceeded to botch the Bennett situation, the last decade likely looks very different. Eichel - Bennett - Backlund down the middle, with Gaudreau on the wings.

Instead the domino effect of 2015 resulted in middling results even in years like 2019 and 2022 when the supporting cast was about as deep as it could be

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

But had we added even Eichel in the draft that year, and then not proceeded to botch the Bennett situation, the last decade likely looks very different. Eichel - Bennett - Backlund down the middle, with Gaudreau on the wings.

It would have been between signing Gaudreau or taking a shot at a top two pick in your hypothetical. No way he signs to sit in the AHL. Following your lgoic they should send Wolf back to the AHL as well.

If Parekh is ready he is ready, I guess you can take soalce in the fact that that chance is about zero.