Breaking: Biden will not seek re-election

[blankall]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I think that is part of it in some ways but let's also get real, a lot of women are also members of families where the typical male working class man is under more and more pressure. People across the board are under economic pressure.

Democrats can't fall into the same old trap and tricks vs Trump in key states. Jobs matter, working class people matter, policies that have affected them through no fault of their own from Republicans and Democrats matter.

If the Dems are thinking they are going to get away going into working class towns and telling them that climate change, shutting down coal plants, Trumps a con and that women's rights, trans rights, immigration rights and more resonate with people to the degree that some think they do, they might be sorely mistaken......again.

People get frustrated with issues when they start to lose control of their personal overall wellbeing. Being told that your coal job is going to go because of climate change is a tough pill to swallow. Reading that California based tech valley darlings are going to make trillions with AI and miss their own targets for emission reductions pisses people off. If you can't pay rent while working 2 jobs but I get to buy another Ferrari and a yacht, do you really care that Trump is a harasser and lied on financial statements?


I really think the Democrats focus like hell on economic issues, making lives better overall for people and staying away from a lot of the divisive issues. A lot of American's just have a feeling of being left for the trash and a guy like Trump actually cares with his messaging. I know it's BS but it's phycology.

Trump says "MAGA" Dems have a slogan of "We are fighting for the soul of America" What is that? Best quote I read from Democrat recently "If we don't smarten up, it's over. Trump is dodging bullets and our guy can't handle a flight of stairs"

I don't agree with your reasoning and the way you're stating it, but at then of the day, the current state of the economy and the fact the democrats happen to be the ones in power right now creates serious issues.

Half of all renters spend >30% of their income on rent. Houses cost six times the median income. These economic factors are what the working class will look at. They won't be nearly as concerned with all the social issues as they are with their grocery bill.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by blankall

I don't agree with your reasoning and the way you're stating it, but at then of the day, the current state of the economy and the fact the democrats happen to be the ones in power right now creates serious issues.

Half of all renters spend >30% of their income on rent. Houses cost six times the median income. These economic factors are what the working class will look at. They won't be nearly as concerned with all the social issues as they are with their grocery bill.

Preciously. Economic issues and people being able to aspire to improve their situation and their families.

Going on and on about Trump's business dealings, and his character, his sexual history, his crimes and more I think is an overall loser issue. Women's rights, the diversity angle and more just are not really important to as many people as some think and it's not a #1 issue for a lot.

I think they need to stay in the middle, stay away from the little political games and stay laser focused on workers, improving peoples lives and coming up with some popular changes for the little guy. There are thousands of changes that can be made to improve the lives of all American's. They also need to do a really good job of explaining foreign policy and how it relates to American's prospects. Shutting down Ukrainian support is easy for a lot of people to understand, especially Republicans. Explaining why America, NATO and more need to support them is harder cause you need to come clean about why it's important.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by curves2000

If you can't pay rent while working 2 jobs but I get to buy another Ferrari and a yacht, do you really care that Trump is a harasser and lied on financial statements?

Either way, I'd be pretty pissed that he gave massive tax cuts to billionaires and multi-millionaires, contributing to the inflation of the past number of years.

I'd also be mindful of the fact that there was a ####ing pandemic which crippled the entire world, and the US has made a better recovery from it of any major country in the world. Are there still problems with the economy? Of course there are. But pointing the finger at Biden and the Democrats for it is completely silly. Thinking that the guy who wants to place massive new tariffs on imports is going to bring costs down.... is even more silly.

And even if I worked 2 jobs and could only afford a cardboard box on the side of the river, I'd still rather die than vote for someone who incited and insurrection and tried to end democracy.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Women's rights, the diversity angle and more just are not really important to as many people as some think and it's not a #1 issue for a lot.

I think they need to stay in the middle, stay away from the little political games and stay laser focused on workers, improving peoples lives and coming up with some popular changes for the little guy. There are thousands of changes that can be made to improve the lives of all American's. They also need to do a really good job of explaining foreign policy and how it relates to American's prospects. Shutting down Ukrainian support is easy for a lot of people to understand, especially Republicans. Explaining why America, NATO and more need to support them is harder cause you need to come clean about why it's important.

I'd disagree on 3 points.

1) The midterm elections showed a major pushback against the GOP due to Roe v Wade. It was supposed to be a red wave, and instead they barely managed to squeak in enough to win the house - which resulted in their speaker getting canned in embarrassing fashion. Women's issues were HUGE as ruby red states like Kentucky went hard for pro-choice rights both there and in the special elections. This will continue IMO.

2) Having a visible minority at the top of ticket brings out minority voters that might not have gone for Biden otherwise. It's one thing to have her as VP - but as President is hugely motivating.

3) There is only 100 days until the election. There's no convincing people on policy at this stage. All you do is motivate people who were not going to show up, or were going to vote for Trump because Biden was demented that there is now an alternative. Being "not Trump" is probably enough so long as you aren't drooling on stage or stumbling down stairs - just like it was in 2020.

It's cruel - but Joe Biden simply became too frail. Father time is undefeated. Thankfully it's now only a concern for Trump as his dentures pop out and he becomes more and more unhinged as he rambles. Let's talk about electrocution vs sharks please.

Don't think for a second the assassination attempt isn't going to have an impact on that guy. Above everything else he's a narcissist. The idea that someone hated him enough to shoot him is going to keep him up at night.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

I'd disagree on 3 points.

1) The midterm elections showed a major pushback against the GOP due to Roe v Wade. It was supposed to be a red wave, and instead they barely managed to squeak in enough to win the house - which resulted in their speaker getting canned in embarrassing fashion. Women's issues were HUGE as ruby red states like Kentucky went hard for pro-choice rights both there and in the special elections. This will continue IMO.

2) Having a visible minority at the top of ticket brings out minority voters that might not have gone for Biden otherwise. It's one thing to have her as VP - but as President is hugely motivating.

3) There is only 100 days until the election. There's no convincing people on policy at this stage. All you do is motivate people who were not going to show up, or were going to vote for Trump because Biden was demented that there is now an alternative. Being "not Trump" is probably enough so long as you aren't drooling on stage or stumbling down stairs - just like it was in 2020.

It's cruel - but Joe Biden simply became too frail. Father time is undefeated. Thankfully it's now only a concern for Trump as his dentures pop out and he becomes more and more unhinged as he rambles. Let's talk about electrocution vs sharks please.

Don't think for a second the assassination attempt isn't going to have an impact on that guy. Above everything else he's a narcissist. The idea that someone hated him enough to shoot him is going to keep him up at night.

A lot of social issues don't tend to sway swing voters. For example, if you have strong feelings against abortion, you're almost going to be unwaveringly Republican to start with.

Most swing voters are going to be surprisingly apathetic about most social issues. In fact, most social issues are issues because they attract a vocal group on either side, but there's not enough support to push the issue conclusively either way.

Economic issues are going to be front and centre in the American election (and ours too).

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by blankall

A lot of social issues don't tend to sway swing voters. For example, if you have strong feelings against abortion, you're almost going to be unwaveringly Republican to start with.

Most swing voters are going to be surprisingly apathetic about most social issues. In fact, most social issues are issues because they attract a vocal group on either side, but there's not enough support to push the issue conclusively either way.

Economic issues are going to be front and centre in the American election (and ours too).

The anti-choice crowd has shown over and over they will come out and vote while young people who tend to lean left don’t.

Roe vs Wade is a big voting motivator though and this election will come down to motivating people to vote in the swing states. The Dems need a campaign beyond Trump is bad and have a strong economic message but they shouldn’t ignore a huge lever they have.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Preciously. Economic issues and people being able to aspire to improve their situation and their families.

Going on and on about Trump's business dealings, and his character, his sexual history, his crimes and more I think is an overall loser issue.

I enjoy reading your posts - thanks for contributing.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The anti-choice crowd has shown over and over they will come out and vote while young people who tend to lean left don’t.

Roe vs Wade is a big voting motivator though and this election will come down to motivating people to vote in the swing states. The Dems need a campaign beyond Trump is bad and have a strong economic message but they shouldn’t ignore a huge lever they have.

Not sure if that's shifted recently. The recently released Pew NPORS certainly suggests otherwise.

(Newsweek link) https://www.newsweek.com/young-peopl...-party-1923182

https://twitter.com/user/status/1810449263479910718

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by blankall

I don't agree with your reasoning and the way you're stating it, but at then of the day, the current state of the economy and the fact the democrats happen to be the ones in power right now creates serious issues.

Half of all renters spend >30% of their income on rent. Houses cost six times the median income. These economic factors are what the working class will look at. They won't be nearly as concerned with all the social issues as they are with their grocery bill.

This is a systemic issue that has been enabled and has developed under both parties, over a long period of time. The redistribution of wealth upwards has been a steady process over the past couple of decades

Low interest rates and long mortgage terms benefit the seller, and leave the buyer holding the bag

They have had corporate tax breaks and rewarded the investment community for growth while offshoring manufacturing jobs to low cost margins at the expense of the American working class and point the finger at immigrants for stealing jobs

They printed a bunch of money with Covid, much of that wealth also moving upwards, and rising interest rates leave borrowers stretched thin

It’s good old fashioned late stage capitalism, meanwhile there is significant investment in the politics and abundant misinformation which gives people a boogey man

The Republicans have zero intention of helping the working class, for sure, but have given voice to the discontent of any of those that vote for them, by painting the Democrats as basically the corrupt institution and the root of all problems

I don’t think that real economic issues are going to be addressed meaningfully

Seems to work for them well enough I guess. What can you do

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by curves2000

People get frustrated with issues when they start to lose control of their personal overall wellbeing. Being told that your coal job is going to go because of climate change is a tough pill to swallow. Reading that California based tech valley darlings are going to make trillions with AI and miss their own targets for emission reductions pisses people off. If you can't pay rent while working 2 jobs but I get to buy another Ferrari and a yacht, do you really care that Trump is a harasser and lied on financial statements?

Once people get past the point of picking up their jaw off the floor when thinking about Donald Trump, they can begin to understand why he's connected with many, including millions of Obama voters. To dovetail with curves's point, there has been a remarkable shift in who votes for various political parties over time, as you can see:



It's a pretty interesting article if you have the time to read it: https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/a-l...e-brahmin-left

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Not sure if that's shifted recently. The recently released Pew NPORS certainly suggests otherwise.

(Newsweek link) https://www.newsweek.com/young-peopl...-party-1923182

https://twitter.com/user/status/1810449263479910718

We will see when the election happens but if the dems win they will do it on the backs of women, young people, and the college educated still. Non-college white men and women will win it for Trump.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Bonded

We will see when the election happens but if the dems win they will do it on the backs of women, young people, and the college educated still. Non-college white men and women will win it for Trump.

I think regardless of who wins those outcomes will hold true. I don't think the turnout rate for very young voters will change much, but in light of this poll it will be interesting to see the shift in their preference, if any.

The incremental gains that Trump has made with Hispanic and Black voters are nothing to be scoffed at either, as turning highly populated 16% counties into 20% counties can flip entire states.

Pennsylvania, Arizona, and Nevada for example. The foremost of which is practically a requirement for the Democratic candidate to carry in order to win.

[troutman]

Referring to her past jobs as a prosecutor, Harris said that “in those roles I took on perpetrators of all kinds. Predators who abused women. Fraudsters who ripped off consumers. Cheaters who broke the rules for their own gain. So hear me why I say: I know Donald Trump’s type.”

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Once people get past the point of picking up their jaw off the floor when thinking about Donald Trump, they can begin to understand why he's connected with many, including millions of Obama voters. To dovetail with curves's point, there has been a remarkable shift in who votes for various political parties over time, as you can see:

It's a pretty interesting article if you have the time to read it: https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/a-l...e-brahmin-left

The main takeaway from that article: the uneducated are far more likely to be swayed by narrow-minded right-wing propaganda than the educated. Are we supposed to be surprised?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The main takeaway from that article: the uneducated are far more likely to be swayed by narrow-minded right-wing propaganda than the educated. Are we supposed to be surprised?

Not surprised but a change in approach when reaching out to less educated voters is required. Saying you are stupid or racist if you vote for Trump might be true but it isn’t going to sway anyone.

[Locke]

So...

Trump/Musk?

"Why settle for the Lesser Evil?"

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The main takeaway from that article: the uneducated are far more likely to be swayed by narrow-minded right-wing propaganda than the educated. Are we supposed to be surprised?

Then why weren't they 60 years ago? That isn't my takeaway. Did you see the chart?

There are policy and rhetoric changes that have occurred in mainstream left-wing parties that have increasingly ostracized such people.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Then why weren't they 60 years ago? That isn't my takeaway. Did you see the chart?

There are policy and rhetoric changes that have occurred in mainstream left-wing parties that have increasingly ostracized such people.

60 years ago the working class still remembered that the bosses would happily put their kids up the chimneys or down the mines given half a chance, I can remember my grandad telling me about being ill before universal healthcare and having his knee stitched up by a Neighbour who was a furniture upholsterer because my great gran couldn't afford to take him to a Dr, what has happened is we all have become immune from suffering, hunger and death, we don't take politics seriously anymore because we dont think anything terrible will happen if we vote for morons like Trump and Boris Johnson or dumb arsed ideas like Brexit

[Locke]

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