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Old 07-22-2024, 01:53 PM   #301
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Reading some reporting that a big push and emphasis will be on Harris's prosecutorial career and the fact that Trump is a convicted felon. The contrast is strong.

Personally I think it's important to tread lightly in that regard. Trump was found guilty and is probably guilty of a lot of other crimes but let's get real, he was found guilty legally for falsification of business records. A practice that is so common I can't even estimate how many members of the senate and congress have done similar related issues.

Focusing on things like race, women's rights, diversity etc are also important but not as important as economic and pocketbook issues. Speak to working people, understand their legit concerns with America in 2024. The level of economic and career anxiety people face in America these days are serious and a lot of people in both parties have not taken that serious.

Trump's VP pick, Vance is being groomed to take the mantel so to speak and he has the ability to really understand a lot of these issues. He has runway if the Dems aren't smart.

Going after Trump for the business records fine, running a massive campaign of that corruption is one thing, thinking working class people in the rust belt care to that degree is another. Most working people know that most wealthy people have made their money and screwed over others in the process.
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I'm assuming that HOA rules play a significant role in reduced signs. There generally aren't many HOAs across Canadian cities but are quite popular in the US. They generally have pretty tight rules on signs, flags and general upkeep and usage of property.
Hmm. I was reading that Quora thread and someone chimed in with this. It makes sense if it's true, but I'm pretty sure the party names were listed when I lived there. It must have been quite some time ago if true:

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So it's 102 days till election. Isn't that plenty of time? Don't we call elections in Canada 45 days in advance?
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Focusing on things like race, women's rights, diversity etc are also important but not as important as economic and pocketbook issues. Speak to working people, understand their legit concerns with America in 2024. The level of economic and career anxiety people face in America these days are serious and a lot of people in both parties have not taken that serious.
Agreed. To your point:



Biden had a large advantage (+31) among the significant number of people who said about the same. It makes me wonder how much Covid had to do with that election and people being unhappy. I would have expected - in a normal cycle - that number to be close to the popular vote overall and not so heavily tilted.
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So it's 102 days till election. Isn't that plenty of time? Don't we call elections in Canada 45 days in advance?
The long elections in the USA are based in the principal that a president should have the opportunity to visit every part of the country before an election. In the past this could take nearly a year or longer.

In Canada, there was no such pageantry to pretend that the PM should visit anywhere west of Ontario.
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I was more commenting on the thought process of Americans. I would not vote for Trump, even against Biden, but I can see how after those debates some might. Biden was really really bad. It would have been a choice between someone who was so mentally not there that they were no longer able to do the job and someone who is totally self-serving.

Now, thankfully, it's a better paradigm.
I think the worst part, for the GOP, is that the debate confirmed for a lot of Republicans voters who dislike Trump that he was the only real choice. Now they can go back to quietly sitting this out, maybe.
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Reading some reporting that a big push and emphasis will be on Harris's prosecutorial career and the fact that Trump is a convicted felon. The contrast is strong.

Personally I think it's important to tread lightly in that regard. Trump was found guilty and is probably guilty of a lot of other crimes but let's get real, he was found guilty legally for falsification of business records. A practice that is so common I can't even estimate how many members of the senate and congress have done similar related issues.

Focusing on things like race, women's rights, diversity etc are also important but not as important as economic and pocketbook issues. Speak to working people, understand their legit concerns with America in 2024. The level of economic and career anxiety people face in America these days are serious and a lot of people in both parties have not taken that serious.

Trump's VP pick, Vance is being groomed to take the mantel so to speak and he has the ability to really understand a lot of these issues. He has runway if the Dems aren't smart.

Going after Trump for the business records fine, running a massive campaign of that corruption is one thing, thinking working class people in the rust belt care to that degree is another. Most working people know that most wealthy people have made their money and screwed over others in the process.
I think tying Trump to project 2025 is key. Trump wants to take away overtime. There is a long list of things in that document that are outright hostile or can be taken as being hostile to the working class
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The long elections in the USA are based in the principal that a president should have the opportunity to visit every part of the country before an election. In the past this could take nearly a year or longer.

In Canada, there was no such pageantry to pretend that the PM should visit anywhere west of Ontario.
Plus we don't elect a Prime Minister or leader like the US does so it doesn't really matter if we see who the leadership candidates are.
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Plus we don't elect a Prime Minister or leader like the US does so it doesn't really matter who the leadership candidates are.
This is an important point.
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Reading some reporting that a big push and emphasis will be on Harris's prosecutorial career and the fact that Trump is a convicted felon. The contrast is strong.

Personally I think it's important to tread lightly in that regard. Trump was found guilty and is probably guilty of a lot of other crimes but let's get real, he was found guilty legally for falsification of business records. A practice that is so common I can't even estimate how many members of the senate and congress have done similar related issues.
Don't forget the sexual assault liability. That's going to resonate with women who are likely to vote in record numbers given the overturning of Roe v Wade.

Lincoln Project nailed the contrast IMO.

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Don't forget the sexual assault liability. That's going to resonate with women who are likely to vote in record numbers given the overturning of Roe v Wade.

Lincoln Project nailed the contrast IMO.
From a purely demographics point of view, Harris potentially checks a lot of boxes: Women, black people, Asian/Indian people.

The real question is going to be how Harris affects apathy among undecided and weakly Democratic voters. in 2020, you had a massive turnout, as people wanted Trump out. With Biden apathy seemed to be at an all time high, with the choice being between giant ###### and turd sandwhich. Harris just needs to do enough to get people to the polls.
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I think tying Trump to project 2025 is key. Trump wants to take away overtime. There is a long list of things in that document that are outright hostile or can be taken as being hostile to the working class
Yup, he is already trying to dodge his connection to Project 2025 even though there is enough video evidence to speak to the contrary. There is a lot of ugly stuff in Project 2025 but I feel like there is a pretty good combination of low hanging fruit between the anti-worker stuff and outlawing of porn that will get the rust belt voters to be like WTF.
Trump wants to cut your paycheck and take your porn away lol
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lol, please.

Biden's own aides said they found out about him dropping out by reading X. Put the country first my ass.

If he cared about putting the country first he would have dropped out months ago. All he created was infighting among the Democrats that will help, nothing.

But trust the media to spin it in a ridiculous way.

If everything is so great, why hasn't Obama endorsed Harris? I thought she checks all the boxes?
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lol, please.



Biden's own aides said they found out about him dropping out by reading X. Put the country first my ass.



If he cared about putting the country first he would have dropped out months ago. All he created was infighting among the Democrats that will help, nothing.



But trust the media to spin it in a ridiculous way.



If everything is so great, why hasn't Obama endorsed Harris? I thought she checks all the boxes?
OMG haha, you're being serious?

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lol, please.

Biden's own aides said they found out about him dropping out by reading X. Put the country first my ass.

If he cared about putting the country first he would have dropped out months ago. All he created was infighting among the Democrats that will help, nothing.

But trust the media to spin it in a ridiculous way.

If everything is so great, why hasn't Obama endorsed Harris? I thought she checks all the boxes?
The Dems have pretty much 100 percent rallied behind Harris. Obama is outside the party. he will wait for the formal nomination.
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lol, please.

Biden's own aides said they found out about him dropping out by reading X. Put the country first my ass.

If he cared about putting the country first he would have dropped out months ago. All he created was infighting among the Democrats that will help, nothing.

But trust the media to spin it in a ridiculous way.

If everything is so great, why hasn't Obama endorsed Harris? I thought she checks all the boxes?
Obama never endorsed Biden when he was running for President. He prefers to let the party itself and not himself endorse candidates.
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Don't forget the sexual assault liability. That's going to resonate with women who are likely to vote in record numbers given the overturning of Roe v Wade.

Lincoln Project nailed the contrast IMO.


I think that is part of it in some ways but let's also get real, a lot of women are also members of families where the typical male working class man is under more and more pressure. People across the board are under economic pressure.

Democrats can't fall into the same old trap and tricks vs Trump in key states. Jobs matter, working class people matter, policies that have affected them through no fault of their own from Republicans and Democrats matter.

If the Dems are thinking they are going to get away going into working class towns and telling them that climate change, shutting down coal plants, Trumps a con and that women's rights, trans rights, immigration rights and more resonate with people to the degree that some think they do, they might be sorely mistaken......again.

People get frustrated with issues when they start to lose control of their personal overall wellbeing. Being told that your coal job is going to go because of climate change is a tough pill to swallow. Reading that California based tech valley darlings are going to make trillions with AI and miss their own targets for emission reductions pisses people off. If you can't pay rent while working 2 jobs but I get to buy another Ferrari and a yacht, do you really care that Trump is a harasser and lied on financial statements?


I really think the Democrats focus like hell on economic issues, making lives better overall for people and staying away from a lot of the divisive issues. A lot of American's just have a feeling of being left for the trash and a guy like Trump actually cares with his messaging. I know it's BS but it's phycology.

Trump says "MAGA" Dems have a slogan of "We are fighting for the soul of America" What is that? Best quote I read from Democrat recently "If we don't smarten up, it's over. Trump is dodging bullets and our guy can't handle a flight of stairs"
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