Breaking: Biden will not seek re-election

[nfotiu]

Trump kicking Biden while he’s down and calling him crooked Joe and worst president ever and not fit to have run in the first place is not going to go over well. I know he’s not really capable of grace but jeez, it doesn’t seem the time. Especially after Bidens handling of his shooting.

[Wastedyouth]

I have hope finally.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Well it sounds like you just described Buttigieg to me. Leave his personal life out of things and you have easily the most palatable democratic candidate for middle America to vote for.

If they were smart, they would do a Harris-Buttigieg ticket. Plus, Buttigieg would wipe the floor with Vance in a debate.

It’s the ticket I would Ike to see. It would be risky, but might be worth the risk as they’d be a very young, energetic pair that could generate some excitement.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

I'm sorry what are you even arguing with me on this? I'm saying the polls were such a dumpster fire that New York was in play. Guess what... eight points is in play and pretty close to the margin of error. it's probably still a solid bet Democrat but a state that's normally 12 to 20 points higher for the usual Democrat means you're running a literal dumpster fire for candidate.

God this is exactly why I typically avoid this thread

This threads only 90 min old

[curves2000]

Although logical that Biden would endorse his VP as the nominee, I do question the logic in not just stepping down and allowing the Democratic party to select someone.

Trump was most likely going to beat Biden
Harris has a better but not excellent chance at beating Trump

If Trump ends up winning, what does that actually say about the Democrats, Biden's legacy and more? Biden stepping down solves an age issue which was evident to a lot of people minus the homers. The questions still stand though, why did they all allow this and how much covering up of mental lapses has occurred? The tell all books that are coming are going to be interesting.

If Trump does win, it would highlight something of importance. The American people wanted him as their leader, right or wrong.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

It’s such a bizarre statement to be categorized as glee. The Dems aren’t the problem. The racist, uneducated, hateful, xenophobic populace is. Not to mention the gerrymandering and voter suppression.

no kidding...the dem will almost certainly get more votes

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

If they were smart, they would do a Harris-Buttigieg ticket. Plus, Buttigieg would wipe the floor with Vance in a debate.

It doesn't matter. Any strategy that invites a response about the Democrats imposing the "woke gay trans agenda" or whatever is just going to result in the election being fought on losing ground for the dems.

Basically everyone who thinks Trump is an existential threat to democracy is going to vote for Harris. They were already going to vote for Biden. Her only chance is to move some of the people who think - erroneously - that all this melodrama about authoritarianism is just politics and the country was fine in 2018 and "I don't think much of Trump as a person but we were fine when he was in charge, and Biden clearly can't think straight", and so on.

Trump will continue to spew bile so she has to run a negative campaign against him to some extent but aside from variations on "my opponent is a criminal" her whole convention speech should be about the people who can be convinced to change their vote. She's not going to energize the base any more than Biden would have, that's for damn sure.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Well it sounds like you just described Buttigieg to me. Leave his personal life out of things and you have easily the most palatable democratic candidate for middle America to vote for.



If they were smart, they would do a Harris-Buttigieg ticket. Plus, Buttigieg would wipe the floor with Vance in a debate.

I don't know about that. When have people ever left the personal life of candidates out of things? Never? So, him being a man and loving other men will be a knock against him for a portion of the electorate, which is too bad as he's very sharp, accomplished and part of the establishment (which checks him off for the DNC). IMO, it's just the reality of America and they will not put a gay man into the President's seat.

As for Harris, I believe she polled even lower than Biden. Don't think she's a smart choice either, IMO. I definitely disagree with those saying that with Harris as the nominee, at least there's a chance.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Well it sounds like you just described Buttigieg to me. Leave his personal life out of things and you have easily the most palatable democratic candidate for middle America to vote for.



If they were smart, they would do a Harris-Buttigieg ticket. Plus, Buttigieg would wipe the floor with Vance in a debate.

if it's only about the issues, then sure. I think Harris and Buttigieg would absolutely mop the floor with Trump and Vance in any debate.

But at the end of the day, you're still looking at ticket of a black woman and a gay man. Now I'd love to think the America of 2024 could look past that, but sadly, I have my doubts.

[Mathgod]

I'm more optimistic about this than most seem to be.

For one thing, it turns the "too old and senile to be president" narrative right back onto Trump.

Second, the Dems chances of winning this election hinge on women getting to the ballot box in record numbers to restore their reproductive rights, and having a woman at the top of the ticket helps with that.

I think Shapiro has to be the VP, as Pennsylvania is a must-win state.

[Swift]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Trump kicking Biden while he’s down and calling him crooked Joe and worst president ever and not fit to have run in the first place is not going to go over well. I know he’s not really capable of grace but jeez, it doesn’t seem the time. Especially after Bidens handling of his shooting.

They really are a classless bunch. What's wrong with saying something like "While I didn't agree with his policies, I thank him for his service and wish him well in the future." and then pivot to campaigning against his replacement?

[dino7c]

These polls are nonsense anyway...they skew towards certain demographics. There are a lot of people who didn't want either Biden or Trump...they will be thrilled to vote someone else.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Swift

They really are a classless bunch. What's wrong with saying something like "While I didn't agree with his policies, I thank him for his service and wish him well in the future." and then pivot to campaigning against his replacement?

their whole gameplan has been to attack Biden, his age and his fitness to run for office. I can't imagine this is good news for them, they'll have to come up with a completely new strategy here. So I'm not surprised he's kicking Biden for now, he has nothing else at this point.

I mean, even his nickname game has been super weak. He's called her "Laughing Kamala", for crying out loud.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Swift

They really are a classless bunch. What's wrong with saying something like "While I didn't agree with his policies, I thank him for his service and wish him well in the future." and then pivot to campaigning against his replacement?

Trump is a terrible human being. He has zero integrity, and he (and his supporters) thrive on this kind of low-brow ####. He's a childish, petulant windbag.

[Locke]

I think Harris has been pulling a 'Weekend at Bernie's' with Joe and just realizes she can't keep it up much longer.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

TIL. But it doesnt seem like there have been that many who have run and lost?

Gore L
Bush W
Ford...went from VP to POTUS and then lost
Truman did the same thing but won his re-election
Coolidge = ditto


So if we add Biden and Nixon to the list I think it makes former VPs 4-3 in their first bid in the last 100 years.

Nixon was sitting VP when he lost to Kennedy in 1960.

Humphrey was sitting VP when he lost to Nixon in 1968.

Johnson went from VP to President after Kennedy was assassinated, was re-elected in 1964, could have run again in 1968, but chose not to (he announced he wouldn't seek re-election on March 31, 1968).

Mondale ran against Reagan in 1984.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

I'm sorry what are you even arguing with me on this? I'm saying the polls were such a dumpster fire that New York was in play. Guess what... eight points is in play and pretty close to the margin of error. it's probably still a solid bet Democrat but a state that's normally 12 to 20 points higher for the usual Democrat means you're running a literal dumpster fire for candidate.

God this is exactly why I typically avoid this thread

This is an almost 3 hour old thread.

Edit: I read to the bottom of the page but was beaten to the punch.

At least I was beaten by a Gooner

[Sylvanfan]

This is consistent with I had been hearing. Likely an open convention, and it will be someone who the Dems think can win in the battleground states. Now that the GOP is committed to Trump the Dems can flip the script and have everyone questioning the age and cognitive abilities against their candidate.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by getbak

Harris-Buttigieg?

Seems to make the most sense and a ticket I could vote for. Much more thoughtful and aware of what real Americans want/need. Not sure how a ticket with a black woman and an openly gay man would fly for the majority of Americans.

Originally Posted by Dion

Kamala Harris - Michele Obama

Not a chance. Two women? Two black women? That would lead to one of the biggest landslides in American politics. America is not ready for a ticket lacking testosterone.

Originally Posted by dino7c

You guys do realize Biden had a handsome lead before the debate right?

That's going to require a link to those polls because Biden has been trailing for months.

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I'm more optimistic about this than most seem to be.

I'm still optimistic the Democrats can turn this around. Trump is still extremely unpopular and the addition of Vance is not going to help in that regard. Dems have to solidify the ticket and get out in front of the messaging right now. Focus on countering the Republican message and make this election about preventing Project 2025. If Americans truly understood the impact of this attempt to reshape our democracy, they would be in the streets with pitchforks and torches. Inform the people and counter with what true American values are about and they aren't about making this a fascist state giving everything to the elites.

[GreenLantern2814]

Go get em, Ms Harris.