There are not any fascist parties running with a possible chance of winning.
I think if Pierre is going to go around saying stuff like
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“The NDP-Liberals, the radical woke socialists detest working-class families.
“What I’ve found about this radical new woke agenda is they always present themselves as the opposite of what they are, precisely the opposite of what they are,”
“The dream he sold was a nightmare. People now want to wake up from the nightmare. That’s what I offer them.”
it's probably OK to point out the fascist tendencies within. It's not like he's standing on any high ground with stuff like that! How many fascist ideas expressed by a leader before it's ok to warn about his fascist-like speech?
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Put simply, Poilievre talks like a fascist and uses this approach to attempt to garner broad-based working class support, as many fascist politicians have done in the past. His ability to communicate his message, and his adoption and subsequent distortion of socialist concepts are the same tactics as those used by the 20th century’s most notorious fascist leaders. Should Poilievre ascend to prime ministership of Canada, the country will probably not descend into fascism. But it does seem likely to me that it will result in a potentially large-scale dismantling of our social and welfare institutions, ultimately hurting the working class of this country a great deal, despite Poilievre’s seductive campaign trail promises.
(and not because I’m hanging my entire socio-political identity on making fun of guys who say “I’m the normal guy” like some losers around here might have you believe, honest!)
(and not because I’m hanging my entire socio-political identity on making fun of guys who say “I’m the normal guy” like some losers around here might have you believe, honest!)
The flip-side of this however is that so many otherwise regular people have been slowly getting rhetoric-poisoned the last ~15 years that this might hit a tipping point where it becomes "normal".
I know we're nowhere near that (yet), however one of the features of never questioning your beliefs is also believing the majority of people agree with you, even if they don't vocalize it.
Abortion falls under provincial jurisdiction. I don’t know what exactly people fear the Conservatives would do - in the unlikely event they decided to commit political suicide by championing a policy that 80+ per cent of Canadians are against.
Disagree. The federal government could amend the Criminal Code to make performing an abortion (ever or in certain circumstances) a criminal offence.
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The bigger problem is how many Canadians out there fall for the 'woke' stuff and will vote for PP because of verbal garbage like above that he spews. Used to think Canada was better than falling for stuff like that, but I was really wrong.
I don't think that's the main point voters are falling for and that stuff will actually lose him support with moderate Canadians.
The largest factor is simply no more Trudeau; and the parts of that PP rant which actually resonate with voters would be him being the closest thing to a centrist leader running and the other guys being ideologicals who have failed the working class.
But if he keeps up stuff like that, he won't get the centrist vote and the country will truly have no options except far right or far left. We need a savior.
If it walks like a fascist and talks like a fascist...? You should read the whole article, it's interesting.
Nice unslanted article source you got there.
You sure know how to pick em Fuzz. And the usuals of course agreeing while nodding while using far left sources to affirm is peak usual suspects.
But since we are choosing this source which has unions and Marxist publications advertising on it, there is an interesting article just below you may have missed from a reputable socialist.
Poilievre is a strong communicator, capable of staying on message. He has his party a full 20 points ahead of the Liberals. Nothing the Liberals say or do has had a positive impact, in terms of the polls. Poilievre has both the Liberals and the NDP in a downward trajectory, while Maxime Bernier’s People’s Party of Canada has all be disappeared
One could spend much time and effort dissecting Poilievre’s 20-year parliamentary track record and conclude, correctly, that he offers nothing to workers and cannot be trusted, but this does nothing to explain the populist strategy he is pursuing and why it appears to be succeeding, as it did recently in the European Union elections.
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It is hard to fathom just why the NDP is sticking with the supply-and-confidence agreement which every day presents Poilievre with talking points that include lines such as the “Liberal-NDP government.” That they have not extracted themselves from this arrangement is both surprising and disappointing to many including this writer (a lifelong New Democrat, and a strong supporter of union alignment with the party labour helped found).
Working Canadians face a cost-of-living crisis. Soaring food and housing costs have placed many working families on the margins of the economy and they neither trust nor believe that Justin Trudeau represents the way forward. The federal NDP leader has a low profile and at times is reduced to staging media conferences about what he might, but most probably won’t do, in terms of parliamentary votes.
The longer the NDP risks its brand in an alliance with the Trudeau Liberals, the further it falls as a viable vote option for Canadians. It may well be a replay of the 1993 federal election where the governing Progressive Conservatives were all but wiped out, reduced to two seats, while at the same time, the NDP fell to nine seats. The NDP back then had a largely unknown leader, in a change election, and paid a huge political price.
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Paul Moist is a retired labour leader. He served as National President of CUPE, Canada’s largest union, between 2003 and 2015.
While Fuzz, Pepsifree, rubecube and a few others are continuously busy trying to teach us plebs about neofascism, keep insisting on using the words fascist erroneously and finding any source they can to affirm this view to stoke fears and continue to use fearmongering, workers are flocking to the CPC as a result of the NDP failing its own base who don't seem quite as outraged (well they are outraged, but at something else). Need to say fascist and fascist rethoric 100 more times I think (while also raging about Poilievre saying 'woke socialist' in the same thought of course), that will really get the message across to associate the CPC with fascism. Not sure exactly what the point is when the Liberals and NDP are still losing and doing nothing to make themselves more electable.
You've successfully convinced someone that Poilievre is a fascist with enough posts. Now what?
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What do you base "they won't be totally corrupt" on? What gives you that confidence?
Governments generally aren't corrupt in their first term. Its when they start pulling stupidity and are not thrown into office where the real corruption starts.
And honestly it is not at all far fetched. The UCP could take any number of measures to substantially reduce access to abortion. Doing so today would likely mean a federal showdown that they would lose.
Under PP, he could simply do nothing and simply say "healthcare is provincial jurisdiction." And its done. (depending on how the inevitable court challenges play out, though how many women will suffer in the interim?)
Its also not far fetched that the incoming CP government sets up work camps and sends all their political opponents to work there.
Abortion falls under provincial jurisdiction. I don’t know what exactly people fear the Conservatives would do - in the unlikely event they decided to commit political suicide by championing a policy that 80+ per cent of Canadians are against.
Won't stop the fear-mongering. This is from 2011. Literally the same crap all over again.
If you search 'Harper ban abortion' you can find dozens and dozens or articles where the Liberals sought to fear monger with this particular issue.
Harper hasn't been PM for almost a decade and still the same strategy is being used.
But those SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES!!! OMG!! THE DEATH PENALTY IS COMING BACKASDAKHJ!@!@HOLYCRAP!!!
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'If you can't beat them, scare them' seems to be the latest Liberal Party campaign strategy.
In a hard-hitting fundraising letter to the party faithful, former Liberal prime minister Jean Chrétien lambasted the Harper government for their recent flurry of legislation and warned that bills banning abortion and gay marriages could be in the offing. He even suggested the death penalty may make a comeback.
LOL, good takedown. Really top notch stuff. Except you didn't address the fascist tendencies at all, and in a failed dunk attempt posted another article showing that workers are buying the fascist feces Pierre is selling them. That's why it is working. Heaving forbid people recognize what is going on with Pierre, and maybe talk about it? It wouldn't be the first time a Conservative leader spouted bull#### to get elected, and then does the opposite once in power, or the first time voters vote against their own best interested because all they read was a slogan.
So maybe try it again, Firbot. Do you have any rational analysis to counter the article I posted discussing Pierre's fascist tendencies, and how they are similar to previous fascists in history? Or do you just want to make another flacid dunk attempt?
Governments generally aren't corrupt in their first term. Its when they start pulling stupidity and are not thrown into office where the real corruption starts.
Uh huh. Danielle Smith is having a good belly laugh right now.
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Nice unslanted article source you got there.
You sure know how to pick em Fuzz. And the usuals of course agreeing while nodding while sourcing marxist supporters is peak usual suspects.
But since we are choosing this source which has unions and Marxist publications advertising on it, there is an interesting article just below you may have missed from a reputable socialist.
While Fuzz, Pepsifree, rubecube and a few others are continuously busy trying to teach us plebs about neofascism, keep insisting on using the words fascist erroneously and finding any source they can to affirm this view to stoke fears and continue to use fearmongering, workers are flocking to the CPC as a result of the NDP failing its own base who don't seem quite as outraged (well they are outraged, but at something else). Need to say fascist and fascist rethoric 100 more times I think (while also raging about Poilievre saying 'woke socialist' in the same thought of course), that will really get the message across to associate the CPC with fascism. Not sure exactly what the point is when the Liberals and NDP are still losing and doing nothing to make themselves more electable.
You realize that article is in no way an endorsement of the Conservatives, right? Its just a criticism of the NDP's political strategy.
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And then it would be appealed and the Supreme Court would knock it down.
Round and round we go....
I agree. And I have tremendous confidence in the impartiality of the SCC. So, although I acknowledge it wouldn't be catastrophic, I still think that it if this hypothetical became reality, it would damage our country. It would hurt our international reputation, damage Canadians' confidence in our government, etc.
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"Life of Russian hockey veterans is very hard," said Soviet hockey star Sergei Makarov. "Most of them don't have enough to eat these days. These old players are Russian legends."
You realize that article is in no way an endorsement of the Conservatives, right? Its just a criticism of the NDP's political strategy.
Of course. He states as such that Poilievre is no friend of unions. But Moist also states Poilievre is an effective communicator and his message is coming across.
Poilievre is getting labour workers to flock to the CPC (despite going further right from O'Toole), while the NDP who traditionally was seen as the social labour party, has failed its base. One party is getting heard while the other has attached itself to the Liberals for token wins but also attached itself to failed policies and scandals in the process.
CPC is the benefactor of Liberals and NDP failing to listen to Canadians. If traditional NDP supporters are scared of the CPC stealing part of their base, they need to look from within and fix the party instead of yelling "tHEy aRe FASCists" over and over.
Of course. He states as such that Poilievre is no friend of unions. But Moist also states Poilievre is an effective communicator and his message is coming across.
Poilievre is getting labour workers to flock to the CPC (despite going further right from O'Toole), while the NDP who traditionally was seen as the social labour party, has failed its base. One party is getting heard while the other has attached itself to the Liberals for token wins but also attached itself to failed policies and scandals in the process.
CPC is the benefactor of Liberals and NDP failing to listen to Canadians. If traditional NDP supporters are scared of the CPC stealing part of their base, they need to look from within and fix the party instead of yelling "tHEy aRe FASCists" over and over.
OK, except that Pierre is lying. So should the NDP just start lying too, because that's what works?
Funny that the guys freaking out over “fear mongering” by posters on a message board let fear mongering by the leader of the opposition slide without a single comment.
Hmmm, nothing weird about that. Must be just some other normal guys.
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And the usuals of course agreeing while nodding while using far left sources to affirm is peak usual suspects.
