Calgarypuck Prospect Ranking 2024 - Round 2

[HitterD]

Yeah same for me I feel like Pelletier will be out of my top 5. Honzek possible there, and I honestly have no idea where to place Gridin personally. I know the Flames valued him as a first rounder but I have not put the time into getting much video watching done on him at all.

[Sandman]

Sadly, I think Pelletier goes the way of Czarnik/ Pettersen/ Phillips and fades away due to lack of effectiveness because of size.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I'm in the habit of doubting every goalie since Kipper.

Ortio was supposed to be great since he was picked by Kipper. Then we had a couple of 2nd rounders in Parsons and McDonald. Parsons in particular looked like a stud. Not to mention we had Brossiot whom we conveniently traded for Smid(or so I think). Aside from that Rittich was supposed to be a stud, then Vladar. Not to mention other proven starting goalies like Elliotte, Smith, or Talbot. Even Markstrom turned into a pumpkin for a season.

HM: Irving, Gillies, McBackup, Krahn, Keeley.

I'll happily eat crow on this one, but I have a hard time betting on goalie prospects with the Flames.

Boy, I don't remember it this way. I think only a couple of those guys were thought of as being real options to become a starting goalie. Many of them were just throwing picks at an organizational need to see if anything panned out.

Joni Ortio: 6th round pick, athletic, but inconsistent. He had some hype because of a strong World Junior tournament performance and then followed that up with some solid (but unspectacular) seasons in the AHL. However, he never really impressed at the NHL level, and likely would have been a journeyman backup if he stayed in NA instead of going back to Europe.

Mason McDonald: was just a bad pick. He never showed well at any level, and there was no real expectations for him after he was drafted.

Tyler Parsons: Another guy with some good junior numbers and then a nice showing at the World Juniors to hype him up, but no goalie should ever really be thought of as a "stud" until they get past junior. Then he turned pro and looked pretty terrible, bouncing back and forth between ECHL and AHL for a few years. Something happened in his maturity and mental health development that completely derailed him, so that should be taken into account.

Laurent Broissoit: Another 6th round draft pick that should never have been thought of as a high end prospect. Pretty solid, but pedestrian results in junior, and then traded before he really got a chance in the organization. He actually turned out pretty well considering his draft position and pedigree, and has managed a journeyman backup career in the NHL. I'd say that's actually a success story.

David Rittich: euro free agent signing. Sorry, he was never thought of as a "stud". He was actually a good news story finding an NHL capable goaltender out of nowhere. He looked better than average one year, but the reality is his abilities and pedigree never screamed that he was destined to be a great goalie. He's never had a GAA below 2.6. Not sure why you thought he was the answer.

Dan Vladar: never thought of as anything more than a back up who could maybe be a starter if everything went right. His background and current performance seem to support that. Not sure why you thought he would be more.

I'm not going to even address the pros that were signed like Smith, Talbot, and god help me, Elliott. That was a combination of terrible pro scouting and desperate moves by Treliving. Those were always stop gap moves.

I have to address a few you zoomed by...

Jon Gillies: Had a couple monster seasons in college backed by a strong defensive system, but then seemed exposed in the World Junior tournament as overhyped. However, he had hip problems requiring surgery, which can be the death knell for any goalie's career. He was never quite right after that, but still managed a career in the AHL and a cup of coffee in the NHL. Had he been healthy, he may have been good.

Leland Irving: This is the one that fizzled out for no real reason. He had a strong junior career, similar to Wolf. He then moved to the AHL and had a pretty strong few years there as well. Not as big as Wolf, but similar. Then he tried his game at the NHL level and got exposed badly. No real explanation for it other than he just wasn't good enough to win in the NHL. He played a lot in Europe and has good numbers there. It just goes to show you how hard it is to be a goalie at the NHL level. The talent and skill there is just a big jump up, which is why you never know how good goalies are until you see them play games in the NHL. The concerns about Wolf being able to translate his game to the NHL are valid for those reasons, but he still has such a strong pedigree at lower levels that I think he will at least be an average NHL starter. But...I could be completely wrong as well.

McBackup, Krahn, and Keetley were always depth prospects that were never considered serious NHL options. McElhinney actually was the best out of the bunch, but was always going to be a backup at best, hence the moniker.

Anyway, goalies are voodoo priests, or mages, or some other odd group of illusionist. At least that's what I've been told.

[Sandman]

Back in 2014, I declared to anyone who would listen that I would elated if we got Sam Bennett in the first round of the draft, and Thatcher Demko in the second. Of course, we took Bennett, but selected another goalie, Mason McDonald in the second. Demko went a few picks later to the Canucks.

I was pissed, and I still am to this day.

[Finger Cookin]

Voted Coronato ahead of Wolf due to the aforementioned previously hyped goalies (here at least, maybe not in the wider hockey world) who fizzled out for a variety of reasons. That's probably me treating Wolf unfairly. Oh well.

[Kipper_3434]

Mixed feelings on Pelletier and Coronato. Was really expecting one or both to make the team full time last season. Still they are higher end prospects and much closer to graduation than the likes of Bruz, Honzek, Pasha etc. I think both should still be top 5, but can see why the shine is fading fast.

[btimbit]

I'm willing to cut Pelletier slack because it's injuries that have held him back, I wouldn't be surprised to still see him pop. But he's certainly still going to suffer in my rankings because of it

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Demko went a few picks later to the Canucks.

I was pissed, and I still am to this day.

2 picks, to be exact.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Laurent Broissoit: Another 6th round draft pick that should never have been thought of as a high end prospect. Pretty solid, but pedestrian results in junior, and then traded before he really got a chance in the organization. He actually turned out pretty well considering his draft position and pedigree, and has managed a journeyman backup career in the NHL. I'd say that's actually a success story.


McBackup, Krahn, and Keetley were always depth prospects that were never considered serious NHL options.

Just two minor nitpicks:


If you meant Brossoit could be considered a Flames success story, then I disagree. He was traded after just 5 games in the Flames organization. he's coming off a great couple of seasons, but until this year he's alternated between very good and not good every single season, and has only played more than 20 games in a season 3 times. The Flames had almost nothing to do with his development.


As for Krahn, he was drafted 9th overall. He was clearly meant to be more than a depth prospect.

[1qqaaz]

At at least 7 other goalies taken after McDonald in that draft have played at least 130 games. Sorokin, Shesterkin, Demko, some of the best in the league.
Some will argue that the Flames were justified, since McDonald was ranked high by some.
But I always thought it was rather ridiculous that he was ranked highly. Leagues differ greatly, but he had a much lower save percentage than all of the goalies who ended up having NHL careers.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Ped

2 picks, to be exact.

Made me want to vomit.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Ped

Just two minor nitpicks:


If you meant Brossoit could be considered a Flames success story, then I disagree. He was traded after just 5 games in the Flames organization. he's coming off a great couple of seasons, but until this year he's alternated between very good and not good every single season, and has only played more than 20 games in a season 3 times. The Flames had almost nothing to do with his development.


As for Krahn, he was drafted 9th overall. He was clearly meant to be more than a depth prospect.

Brossoit counts as a success story for the Flames' scouts – not for their management as a whole.

Krahn was an idiotic choice, which shouldn't be surprising since he was the first player drafted under Craig Button. The draft was held in Calgary that year, and the team was terrible, so management was desperately scrambling for a bone to throw to the fans. Drafting a hometown kid was their way of distracting people from the trainwreck.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

Dustin Wolf for me. His AHL career has been marvelous:

In 141 games played:
97-32-20
.688 Win percentage (not point percentage)
.926 Save Percentage
2.29 GAA
Goalie of the year X2
League MVP

Really impressive stuff.

Compare that to Askarov
92 GP
56-29-15
.608 Win percentage
.911 SVP / 2.55 GAA
Goalie of the year x1

Wallstedt
83 GP
40-34-12
.482 win percentage
.909 SVP / 2.69 GAA

Wild and Predator fans should be excited (well maybe not Predator fans since Askorov looks like he may be moved after the Saros extension) and so should Flames fans.

Even in the NHL under very difficult circumstances (inconsistent NHL appearances and then consistent appearances for a gutted team), Wolf has 8 wins in 16 starts.

I'm a big believer in him and think he'll figure the NHL quicker than it figures him out.

And that is exactly the opposite of me.

He simply cannot get bigger, and that is what has been his issue when he was getting shelled at times.

He does every single thing well that you want from that position...other than the one thing he cannot control.

I hope i am 100% wrong, and am really cheering for the guy as both a fan of the Flames and what his story is and has been.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Parsons wasn't a depth guy either - he was amazing in junior - won the Memorial cup. What he did the following season was truly exceptional. Button stated that the Flames weren't planning on drafting a goalie that year, but when their turn came up in the 2nd round, they couldn't get past Parsons.


Injuries/concussion/depression - that ended his career when he turned pro, but when he was drafted, there was a lot of noise around him. Kid was a standout and was winning everything there was to win.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Sadly, I think Pelletier goes the way of Czarnik/ Pettersen/ Phillips and fades away due to lack of effectiveness because of size.

You may be right about Pelletier's fate but he is already a better NHLer than Pettersen who isn't close to an NHL level player even if he was bigger. The other two probably have more skill than Pelletier but they are tiny.

I wonder if the hope was that Pelletier would fill out more physically?

[FBI]

Yeah let’s cut Pelletier some slack and see how he does away from Sutter and being healthy. He can be fricken tenacious.

[SutterBrother]

Everything I’ve seen from Wolf leads me to believe he is too small for the NHL.

I would love to be wrong. I’ve watched hockey for a long time, and sometimes you just see stuff. Like how Markstrom was soft in the head when it mattered most. And Giugere had all the tools but needed to grow into it.

Prove me wrong kid.

I voted for Coronado.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

McBackup, Krahn, and Keetley were always depth prospects that were never considered serious NHL options. McElhinney actually was the best out of the bunch, but was always going to be a backup at best, hence the moniker.

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with the passage of time I've got some pretty mad respect for McBackup- 13 NHL seasons, the guy hung in there

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Back in 2014, I declared to anyone who would listen that I would elated if we got Sam Bennett in the first round of the draft, and Thatcher Demko in the second. Of course, we took Bennett, but selected another goalie, Mason McDonald in the second. Demko went a few picks later to the Canucks.

I was pissed, and I still am to this day.

I'm still pissed they took Bennett. He was the worst 1st pick the Flames took since Rico Fata.

All hype, no snipe.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I'm still pissed they took Bennett. He was the worst 1st pick the Flames took since Rico Fata.

All hype, no snipe.

I think he was fine, just grossly mishandled by a never-ending revolving door of coaches who wanted to turn him into a grinder. His development was forever skewed by incompetence.