Calgary Public Transit - Discussion

[Locke]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

The UCPs delays likely killed off the 16th Ave station for now.

From the station description, the Large North stationhead is nice, but the south stationhead is design to have a development on top of it.

My sister-in-law works for Transit in media relations.

I'm definitely going to give her a hard time for this one.

Pederstrian tunnel

Ahahaha! Nobody has spell-check??

[You Need a Thneed]

4th Street Station (close to the new Event Centre):

[TheIronMaiden]

Yeah those renderings aren't accurate at all. Where are all the junkies shooting up?

[You Need a Thneed]

26th Ave Station (Elevated station behind Crossroads Market):

[surferguy]

Originally Posted by Locke

Oh I know where its located...my office is literally across the street.

Its still nonsense.

Its actually laughable.

They are coming for your office

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Torture

Studies had the 16th ave station as the highest ridership station of the line too.

Here we go agaaain.

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...ary-green-line


Of course.

Dreeshen adds the Smith government is willing to help bring LRT to the airport.

What's with this obsession with spending a boatload of money to serve so few daily users? You literally have tens of thousands who would ride it daily, removing cars from the roads, pollution, etc. Contrast that with the airport, typically having under 25k departures a day, but far far fewer would use the LRT.

[You Need a Thneed]

The more Suburban Stations all sort of look like this:

[calgarygeologist]

I still think it is a huge mistake if they don't create a tunnel walkway between the new event centre and the adjacent station.

[surferguy]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

What's with this obsession with spending a boatload of money to serve so few daily users? You literally have tens of thousands who would ride it daily, removing cars from the roads, pollution, etc. Contrast that with the airport, typically having under 25k departures a day, but far far fewer would use the LRT.

Perhaps a small peak at the electoral map would have your answer

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by surferguy

Perhaps a small peak at the electoral map would have your answer

Oh Surferguy, so cynical!



That's the spirit.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by surferguy

They are coming for your office

I'm actually half-surprised they havent.

So. The 'Green-Line Initiative' isnt going down well in Ogden-town. They dont want it.

The City sends out a liaison every few weeks to canvas the neighbourhood and inform the residents of whats going on.

Now. I work in Ogden, but I dont live there. And I'm one of her last stops of the day and she looks like she's been dragged through a fighting pit.

So...I give her some water and rest and I don't harass her because she's had a hard day. Its like a refuge. She can play some Star Wars Arcade and just escape.

My office is a 'Safe Space.'

But make no mistake. The residents of Ogden do not want this.

I'm somewhat ambivalent. If you'd asked me 5 years ago I'd have been 100% in support. But with the advent of Work-from-Home and thus less need to get downtown, and the amount of scum and villainy that perpetuates with Train stations? I can understand the reticence of the residents.

Furthermore, no plans for parking is a questionable decision and...Ogden road is largely 1-Lane in either direction. It is not equipped for the kind of traffic they're going to dump on it.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

What's with this obsession with spending a boatload of money to serve so few daily users? You literally have tens of thousands who would ride it daily, removing cars from the roads, pollution, etc. Contrast that with the airport, typically having under 25k departures a day, but far far fewer would use the LRT.

Yeah and i don't think people really want to take the train to the airport carrying all that luggage. I would't.

Once I landed in Newark to go to New York. Took the train, with my luggage, and there was hardly anyone on it.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I still think it is a huge mistake if they don't create a tunnel walkway between the new event centre and the adjacent station.

It Shouldn't be too hard:



The station entrance appears to be on 5th street, not 4th street - so probably not called the 4th street station any more.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I still think it is a huge mistake if they don't create a tunnel walkway between the new event centre and the adjacent station.

Yeah, based on that map, the "4th Street" station will be on the corner of 11th Ave and 5th St. This means anyone going to something at the arena will need to cross 2 surface streets to get there.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Yeah and i don't think people really want to take the train to the airport carrying all that luggage. I would't.

Once I landed in Newark to go to New York. Took the train, with my luggage, and there was hardly anyone on it.

If you aren't traveling with a huge amount of luggage it is a nice option for travelers. I've used airport trains in places like Vancouver, Toronto, Seoul and Denver.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Noticing a distinct lack of designs for anything north of downtown.

This is what it says on the website currently:

Phase 2
Phase 2 – Eau Claire to 16 Avenue N.
In June 2020 City Council approved the Stage 1 alignment from Shepard to 16 Avenue N. Following a review of Stage 1 of the project by the provincial government, the Green Line Board announced a revised procurement strategy to build the Green Line in two phases:

Phase 1: Shepard to Eau Claire
Phase 2: Eau Claire to 16 Avenue N.
A decision on building Phase 2 has not been made yet. The Green Line Board will make this decision once more is known about the costs and risks for completing Phase 1.

[Fuzz]

It's gonna be pretty awesome when the south green line is done, and they point to crappy ridership numbers to justify completely canceling the north section. Probably over a decade away from that coming disappointment.

[You Need a Thneed]

First Time I've seen this map - I think its fairly new:

Appears to include:
MAX ORANGE extension in the NW - up Shaganappi Trail
MAX PURPLE NW extension along Bowness Road
MAX PURPLE E extension into Chestermere
MAX TEAL extension further east into industrial area
Far NW Crosstown BRT across 144th Ave / Country Hills
SW Crosstown along 162nd Ave SW
52nd Street BRT - Saddletowne to Seton
Airport Connector to both Green and Blue lines
All known LRT extensions.

[Jimmy Stang]

“That is the part causing the biggest problem. It’s a cost overrun. It is going to be an engineering nightmare. It’s not in sync with the rest of the way their system works. There are underground river systems and that is what they have to rethink.”

Not that I expect the UCP to be factual in any way, isn't the "underground rivers" thing total nonsense? It always gets trotted out when people are frustrated about the Red/Blue lines running at-grade, despite the real reason it is above ground: the governments of the day favoured the immediate cost over the long-term benefit.

If these underground rivers are so prohibitive, why does every skyscraper downtown have multi-level underground parkades that aren't all swimming pools? Is the public really expecting that as soon as they start digging, the engineers will say "oops - we've hit water! Danielle was right!".

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

What's with this obsession with spending a boatload of money to serve so few daily users? You literally have tens of thousands who would ride it daily, removing cars from the roads, pollution, etc. Contrast that with the airport, typically having under 25k departures a day, but far far fewer would use the LRT.

As a traveller, I like having the option. As a resident of Calgary, the cost/benefit to me and the city isn't worth it.

Obsession is a good word. A train that lots of people will use to live, play, and work? "Public transit is for commies!"

A train that relatively much fewer people will use, most of them non-residents? "Look at us and our expensive train to the airport! We're big time!"

But of course, it is a popular opinion that a train to the airport is so very essential. Whether that's actually true doesn't really matter from a political point of view.