2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

It's also time to move on for obsessing on the Oilers.
They lost, the universe was saved, their troubles are coming already.

We don't need to "stick it to them". Conroy isn't going to live in Oiler obsession like some posters here.

I would offer sheet either player because there is an about a 90% probability that either player will be better than who we pick with the 2nd round pick. Returning fire is only a concern if you think you are going to screw up your cap so much that you cannot match an offer sheet.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I would offer sheet either player because there is an about a 90% probability that either player will be better than who we pick with the 2nd round pick. Returning fire is only a concern if you think you are going to screw up your cap so much that you cannot match an offer sheet.

If you're paying $4 million apiece for players in the bottom half of your roster, your cap is going to get screwed up.

If you give a player an offer sheet at fair market value, he has little incentive to sign it. You have to overpay in actual dollars to tempt him, and you have to seriously overpay for his current team not to match. Giving up a 2nd or 3rd in compensation is a relatively minor part of the equation. (Different if you're talking about a 1st+, but nobody is in this particular case.)

Offer sheets are rare because they are the worst of both worlds. You have to give up assets as if you were making a trade, and you have to overpay on the contract as if you were signing a free agent.

[Caged Great]

In my mind, offer sheets don’t make sense where the flames are at. Our picks are going to be good and if the flames hit the mark, the player will be cheap for longer than whomever we offer sheet.

[Jason14h]

Offer sheets rarely make sense because the team will either match, or it is usually mutually beneficial for the two teams to work out a trade since and not overpay the player in the first place to "Steal" them .

[Saqe]

Offer sheet Broberg 4.5M x 2. Screws them right now when they can't match and doesn't screw the Flames cap long term in case it doesn't. If it does work out great, give him a long term deal after or worst case deal him for a haul.

[memphusk]

If Broberg was worth a haul they would of traded him For just that already.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by memphusk

If Broberg was worth a haul they would of traded him For just that already.

Not now but maybe in two years. He looks like a player that could break out.

[ComixZone]

What is with the impatience and desire for Oiler players?

#%^* that organization and their loser players. I want no Oilers at the foundation of this build.

I find it despicable that people even want to. Taint and rush our rebuild just to spite the Oilers?

Hell no. Conroy has a 3-5 year plan. Just let him cook, and keep the Oilers the hell away from our team.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Not now but maybe in two years. He looks like a player that could break out.

So you pay a guy middle-pairing money because he might break out in two years? And give up a 2nd-round draft pick? Just to spite a rival that has a track record of screwing people? Because you know Katz will take Conroy's number and tell his next GM to screw the Flames right back.

[SuperMatt18]

Offer sheets make more sense for good teams.

I'd rather not give up a top 40 pick for the right to overpay Broberg

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Right. Brannstrom.

Either way, Flames need LHD for the left side, Broberg fits. And 23 years old fits the window better

No, an early 2nd round pick fits our window better than a 23 year old.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Offer sheets? Wanting to play 18 year olds immediately? Yeah, this is a fan base ready to watch a rebuild happen.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

If you're paying $4 million apiece for players in the bottom half of your roster, your cap is going to get screwed up.

If you give a player an offer sheet at fair market value, he has little incentive to sign it. You have to overpay in actual dollars to tempt him, and you have to seriously overpay for his current team not to match. Giving up a 2nd or 3rd in compensation is a relatively minor part of the equation. (Different if you're talking about a 1st+, but nobody is in this particular case.)

Offer sheets are rare because they are the worst of both worlds. You have to give up assets as if you were making a trade, and you have to overpay on the contract as if you were signing a free agent.

So your argument is that if there is a RFA that is worth more than the compensation (worth two seconds for hypothetically) that you can get for a 2nd by offering a 3 million dollar contract to when the team they originally were with can only afford 1.8 million, that the 1.2 million delta is not worth getting a young asset at below market value because the asset may cost 1.2 million more than it may be worth? I suspect teams with a bunch of cap space don’t really care about the 1.2 million bucks.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

So your argument is that if there is a RFA that is worth more than the compensation (worth two seconds for hypothetically) that you can get for a 2nd by offering a 3 million dollar contract to when the team they originally were with can only afford 1.8 million, that the 1.2 million delta is not worth getting a young asset at below market value because the asset may cost 1.2 million more than it may be worth? I suspect teams with a bunch of cap space don’t really care about the 1.2 million bucks.

No, that's not my argument at all. The numbers, in particular, you made up yourself.

My argument is that you don't spend the money on a player who isn't worth that salary. Every GM knows just how quickly cap space can run out if you start overpaying players. Remember when Treliving was overpaying guys, and it didn't matter because the team was rebuilding? Oops.

To overpay a player and give up an asset for the right to do so is foolish – which is why offer sheets are so very rare.

At this point, I'm not positive either Holloway or Broberg is worth an early 2nd-round pick straight up. (Don't talk about their draft position. That's water under the bridge, and besides, they were drafted and developed by the Oilers, who are not good at either of those things.) They certainly haven't done anything to earn a salary in the range where a 2nd would be the compensation.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by D as in David

I'm getting the impression that "family" means extended family so it would be pretty problematic to once again move that group, especially to a U.S. team due to citizenship of the other family members.

Kadri had 0 extended family here in Calgary so not sure why people keep saying this.

The big kadri family here in Calgary have 0 relation to Nazem Kadri. Kadri is like any other player whose family lives with him in the city he plays for.

[dissentowner]

Kadri has plenty of extended family in Calgary, many moved from London to Calgary when he signed his long term deal.

[scotty2hotty]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Kadri has plenty of extended family in Calgary, many moved from London to Calgary when he signed his long term deal.

That seems strange to me. I'm not doubting your intel ... just commenting on the situation.

Why would people move to a new city just because of extended family? I moved from Calgary to Toronto and not one of my cousins, uncles, aunts, etc. thought that they'd better pack up and join me.

Does he financially support them all?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by scotty2hotty

That seems strange to me. I'm not doubting your intel ... just commenting on the situation.

Why would people move to a new city just because of extended family? I moved from Calgary to Toronto and not one of my cousins, uncles, aunts, etc. thought that they'd better pack up and join me.

Does he financially support them all?

Maybe his family likes him more than yours likes you

[scotty2hotty]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Maybe his family likes him more than yours likes you

lol. Fair enough!

[Niemo]

I’m ok keeping Kadri as he seems like a great teacher and his return won’t be awesome. Rasmus and Coleman on the other hand……