2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Meh, I don’t think Broberg is worth overspending cap on. The Oilers will also repay the favour when they suck in 4 years lol.

Overspending cap? Have you seen the cap space? It's not overspending. And I think it's worth it. I hate seeing good players in Edmonton and I'd relish any chance of depriving them of one any chance I got.

Why let them have Broberg when we can stick em with Ceci for the remainder of his deal. No one's taking Ceci, no one.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon

You thinking of Brannstrom? Boqvist is still available.

https://www.capfriendly.com/ufas

Right. Brannstrom.

Either way, Flames need LHD for the left side, Broberg fits. And 23 years old fits the window better

[1qqaaz]

Detroit has 20 million in cap space, needs defense, and has a 2nd round pick that probably won't be at the very top of the round.

It might make more sense for them to sign Broberg than Calgary. Utah, Buffalo, Minnesota, other options.

[Major Major]

Let someone else do the o/s then we sell the cap space.

CiCi for a second. Kane for a first.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

They won’t stop. Jake DeBrusk is a winger whose career high in points is 50 and he just got 5.5 million. Kadri has been for a few years now a guy that you can reasonably expect to get 60-70 points. That type of production from a center will have good value at 7 million. The earliest the Flames will have to sign any young prospect of importance to a long term deal is in the 2nd last year of Kadri’s contract, more likely the last year. He will not affect in anyway their ability to sign any of the top prospects they picked up this year or in 2025 or 2026z

I don't see how Debrusk contract factors into Kadri's trade value. Even the Canucks probably recognize that the contract is inflated and even if they decided to flip Debrusk would know they would not get 1st round value. Debrusk contracts also ends at around Kadri's current age and a big part of the lack of value is the NMC

Teams need to balance this out. Signing a guy with inflated cap hit vs trading quality assets for short term better cap hits or significant value for longer term good cap hits or short term with retained salary.

Take Debrusk vs a better example in Mangiapane. Caps pay a 2nd, then they either re-sign him or lose him for nothing. Cap hit is very similar, Mangiapane has slightly better numbers but is older and probably a worse contract due to his age. Who did better in this situatiion? Canucks at least did not give up a 2nd for 1 year.

Or you could get a much cheaper player who is younger and has more term with a better cap hit. But what will it cost you in prospect and picks?

Canucks got to keep picks to add Debrusk. Might be a bad move, but nobody is trading a 1st for him either and nobody would trade a 1st for Kadri especially if he would waive to 2-5 teams.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Overspending cap? Have you seen the cap space? It's not overspending. And I think it's worth it. I hate seeing good players in Edmonton and I'd relish any chance of depriving them of one any chance I got.

Why let them have Broberg when we can stick em with Ceci for the remainder of his deal. No one's taking Ceci, no one.

Just because the Flames have a tonne of cap space doesn’t mean they should do dumb crap with it. I don’t think Broberg is very good. Same goes for Holloway. 4 million dollars for either of those guys would be dumb in my opinion.

[Toonage]

Pinder got all excited on BB today suggesting the Flames put the screws to the Oilers.

While fun, that does very little to develop or progress this team. Unless you think Broberg is worth the pick. And I'm not sure he is.

You'd be better served not handing the Oilers any picks they can use at a deadline and drafting your own player.

[D as in David]

Even when a team has plenty of cap space, it is still a mistake to overpay a player; particularly on a longer deal. That becomes the baseline salary for any players that you develop into better players forcing the team to overpay them. See also, Nurse, Darnell.

[SuperMatt18]

I'd be more willing to try to get Holloway than Broberg.

I like Broberg but I don't think spending assets for a d-man at this stage is smart.

Holloway though to try to get a young forward that hasn't really gotten offensive minutes...I'd be willing to try that...but we really don't need a winger either.

Team needs to use any of it's assets on a center.

[Icon]

I think it's telling that no other team has jumped at offer sheeting either of them.

They may just be not worth the combination of the required salary and compensation.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Icon

I think it's telling that no other team has jumped at offer sheeting either of them.

It's not particular telling at all. Teams are loathe to use offer sheets to begin with. But why give up assets to sign a player who is not elite, when you can get assets to take on salary from other teams?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Icon

I think it's telling that no other team has jumped at offer sheeting either of them.

They may just be not worth the combination of the required salary and compensation.

I just don’t think they are worth causing a pissing war over. The Flames are set up in the next few seasons to possibly have a great core of young players all coming off contracts at the same time with a few being eligible for offer sheets. Coincidentally right around the time the Oilers will likely be rebuilding. If we put the nails to them now, they are likely to do the same. They might anyway, but I think generally speaking GMs try not to rock the boat unless it’s for player they think is really special. It’s basically game theory applied.

[Icon]

^ you're both kinda reiterating my point, though maybe I didn't say it well enough. I just don't think they're worth it, and since they are still sitting there as unsigned RFAs, other teams agree.

[stemit14]

It’s early in the offseason of course, but since most of the quality UFAs have been signed, the next steps are signing RFAs and trades from teams that missed out on players in free agency. Who are the teams rumoured to be looking to finalize their roster through trade this summer? What are they looking for?

Most importantly - do the flames make good trade partners for any of these teams? As others have said, Conroy is likely not in a rush to trade any of Kadri, Andersson or Coleman but I would think he would consider trading them if they meet his price.

Beyond trading his valuable assets, there still might be a market for him to weaponize his cap space by taking on bad contracts from teams that need cap space. I’m starting to think the reason the flames have not been in on any of the cap dump trades so far is that Conroy’s price for taking on a bad contract is higher than most. I understand that a bit. If he goes to Edwards and tells him we’re taking on $5 million cap space in exchange for a 2nd round pick, likely the first thing Edward’s will do is compare that to what the flames gave up (a first round pick) to get rid of Monahan. From that perspective, he will think the flames are not getting very much return for taking on a bad contract. If conroy wants to make any trades that weaponize their cap space… he’ll have to explain that the Monahan trade was just a bad trade. Treliving paid too much to move Monahan and to expect the flames to get a similar return for being on the other end of that kind of trade is not reasonable. Especially now that the cap has gone up.

[Vinny01]

Saw some Twitter rumblings about the Ducks and Rangers with a Trouba/Kakko package for Zegras. Not the most reputable source but on the surface there is a lot in that deal that makes sense for both sides

[D as in David]

Have offer sheets usually been signed a couple of days into free agency? I wasn't readily able to find out that information.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I just don’t think they are worth causing a pissing war over. The Flames are set up in the next few seasons to possibly have a great core of young players all coming off contracts at the same time with a few being eligible for offer sheets. Coincidentally right around the time the Oilers will likely be rebuilding. If we put the nails to them now, they are likely to do the same. They might anyway, but I think generally speaking GMs try not to rock the boat unless it’s for player they think is really special. It’s basically game theory applied.

It's also time to move on for obsessing on the Oilers.
They lost, the universe was saved, their troubles are coming already.

We don't need to "stick it to them". Conroy isn't going to live in Oiler obsession like some posters here.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Icon

^ you're both kinda reiterating my point, though maybe I didn't say it well enough. I just don't think they're worth it, and since they are still sitting there as unsigned RFAs, other teams agree.

Yes, but by that logic, 99 percent of free agents aren't worth it. The other team almost always matches, and then they get mad and retaliate (see Car-Mtl with Aho and Kotkaniemi, and Van-Stl with Backes and Bernier).


Prior to Kotkaniemi not being matched (and the whole sequence hasn't worked out that well for Caroline as far as the player is concerned), the last one not matched was Dustin Penner in 2007 - the one where Burke offered to fight Kevin Lowe in a barn.


Prior to that, you have to go all the way back to 1997 where Philly offer-sheeted Chris Gratton and Tampa didn't match. The 4 1st round picks that were awarded were traded back to Philly for Renberg and Karl Dykhuis. Gratton would end back in Tampa Bay after 108 games in Philly - traded for Renberg.


The point isn't that Broberg and Holloway aren't worth offer sheets, it's that the league has decided pretty much no one is worth it. In fact, if GMs actually used offer sheets, these are the kinds of players they should be using it on - young players who haven't completely proven themselves but have shown enough that they could still turn out to be useful NHL players, playing for a team that's cap-strapped and already trying to dump salary.


And really, why wouldn't a team like Calgary want to make life more difficult for their rivals?

[Niemo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

As I have said before, I don't think moving Kadri is an option. Tre gave him his retirement deal here and he loves the city and doesn't want to move on. He already has a SC, I think at this point family and location are more important than chasing another Cup.

Any rumblings or thoughts on Conroy moving Coleman and Rasmus?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I don't see how Debrusk contract factors into Kadri's trade value. Even the Canucks probably recognize that the contract is inflated and even if they decided to flip Debrusk would know they would not get 1st round value. Debrusk contracts also ends at around Kadri's current age and a big part of the lack of value is the NMC

Teams need to balance this out. Signing a guy with inflated cap hit vs trading quality assets for short term better cap hits or significant value for longer term good cap hits or short term with retained salary.

Take Debrusk vs a better example in Mangiapane. Caps pay a 2nd, then they either re-sign him or lose him for nothing. Cap hit is very similar, Mangiapane has slightly better numbers but is older and probably a worse contract due to his age. Who did better in this situatiion? Canucks at least did not give up a 2nd for 1 year.

Or you could get a much cheaper player who is younger and has more term with a better cap hit. But what will it cost you in prospect and picks?

Canucks got to keep picks to add Debrusk. Might be a bad move, but nobody is trading a 1st for him either and nobody would trade a 1st for Kadri especially if he would waive to 2-5 teams.

Yes, you are making my point for me. Mangiapane is a top 200 winger in the league. He was worth a 2nd round pick. Kadri is a top 40-50 center in the league (a more important position) and is a much better player. He will be worth significantly more than a 2nd.