2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[gvitaly]

I don't see the Flames exploring a Kadri trade this year, unless they get a younger center coming back. Maybe someone like Norris, or Kotkoniemi. That or someone offers you a massive overpay.

I think the Flames will look to see what they have in Zary and Pospisil at center this year, before exploring potential Kadri trades.

The final scenario in which I could see Kadri traded this season is following a trade for an established center that's well past his best before date, as a cap dump. Perhaps someone like R. Johansen or E. Kuznetsov.

[Wastedyouth]

Kadri at 50 points for 7 million is better than 90% of the contracts that were given out this week.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

For sure, and they'd fetch good returns at the deadline.

But as two of the centerpieces for a deal with Naz and Ras PLUS retention?

I'll pass.

And a 1st? I also said we may be able to squeeze more out of them?

[Bingo Jr.]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

And a 1st? I also said we may be able to squeeze more out of them?

Yes I know, "two of the centerpieces".

I feel like one of Ritchie or Gulyayev would have to be in the discussions for a deal like that.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Kadri at 50 points for 7 million is better than 90% of the contracts that were given out this week.

Not what people were saying year 1 in Calgary

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Risk for me is if we do this well, we will have guys to sign.

Kadri puts up 50 points this year, calls will stop with his contract. This team is going to suck, he might play through it but if he doesn't we could be stuck.

If Conroy can get the return people suggest, great but I doubt it

Even if they have guys to sign...thats probably 5 years out.

25-26: Zary, Bahl, Pachal, Coronato
26-27: Pospisil, Andersson (if he's not moved)
27-28: Honzek
28-29: Brzustewicz, Parekh (at the earliest)

Nobody there is likely getting a huge deal....maybe Parekh but that's more likely to be 29-30 anyways.

Flames have $20M of cap space right now with an $88M cap...by the time 28-29 comes around the cap is going to be $102M.

Unless this team goes big game hunting for UFAs in the next three seasons there is going to be absolutely no issue signing our own guys when they come up, and Kadri's contract is going to be a non-factor.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Not what people were saying year 1 in Calgary

People in 2022 weren’t saying that Kadri’s contract was better than most of the contracts given out on July 1, 2024?

Weird.

[SuperMatt18]

And even then people had no issue with Kadri's contract the first 60 games in 2022...people were quite happy with him.

It was more that it looked like he just quit on Sutter the last 15-20 games of that year, and then bounced back great last year.

Over the last 3 seasons he's averaged 76 points per 82 games...and that includes the "poor" 2022-23 season.

Moving him for a 2nd to clear cap space when you have $20M of cap and would be below the floor without him would be silly. You only move him for a big return.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

You only move him for a big return.

This.

And I think other teams see there's value there for teams to offer big returns if they want to go for it now.

Kadri for a cap dump & high picks/prospects could make sense for teams looking to shore up their lineup down the middle.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

Yes I know, "two of the centerpieces".

I feel like one of Ritchie or Gulyayev would have to be in the discussions for a deal like that.

Prospects like that is why Colorado and Dallas and Carolina can lose players and still stay at the top. Kadri's contract puts them at risk when Rantanen is up and that is why IMO even though Kadri is better than Colton, the trade value isn't that far off as Colton makes half the money and fits his role very well.

Mittlestadt is the 2nd line center and makes less than Kadri as well. Kadri is good, but his value is not that much as he is paid like a high-end 2nd line center and that is all he is. Colton is a very good 3rd line center and is paid in line with Kadri and is 6 years younger. He has value too

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Not what people were saying year 1 in Calgary

He was the worst player on the Flames in year 1.

[Bingo Jr.]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

He was the worst player on the Flames in year 1.

Jacob Markstrom would like a word.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I love how Colton and Girard are being viewed as nothing in this discussion, it's not like we are getting Lucic back. Both are good players

Girard is not worth his cap hit and Colton might be worth a 2nd or something. Most wouldn't pay Andersson to get out of Kadri's contract which is what you are doing.

Even if the Flames really kill the draft, Kadri's contract will only be a problem in the last year which can be bought out.

[Ba'alzamon]

I don't see why Colorado would do that trade anyway, since they need to cut salary and that trade has them adding salary. Yes they're getting better players, but they're also paying extra to put themselves in a worse budget situation.

What do they do to cut salary after dumping Colton and Girard--their two most expendable big tickets--in one trade that doesn't save them any money?

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

Jacob Markstrom would like a word.

Nah. Kadri.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

He was the worst player on the Flames in year 1.

We were buying out Kadri after year 1 or trading a pick to get rid of him.

Now is too valuable to trade unless the return is a big return.

Colton is tradeable and gets more with salary retained. I think their trade value is similar, retaining salary in a year is less painfull too then retaining on Kadri for 4 or 5 years.

Rasmus gets all the chances in Calgary to shine, Girard is stuck behind Makar, Toews and at time Byram too. I feel like we would be doing very well with this deal and the players we get back are close to what we give up in value and we add a 1st.

Rasmus had 183 mins on the PP

Girard had 48 mins on the PP.

Flip that and see how it changes the players value?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Flip that and see how it changes the players value?

Kadri for Colton or Girard is fine as a base. I am not sure why you want to dump Andersson. Seems like you just don't think he has any value. I'd take a mid 1st round pick and couple seconds versus flipping Andersson for Girard and hoping Girard becmes more valuable than Andersson.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Kadri for Colton or Girard is fine as a base. I am not sure why you want to dump Andersson. Seems like you just don't think he has any value. I'd take a mid 1st round pick and couple seconds versus flipping Andersson for Girard and hoping Girard becmes more valuable than Andersson.

Or you don't think Girard and Colton have value?

Conroy has done a good job finding guys who are in lessor roles on stacked teams that are good players. I see a gain in value in the players we get after the deal is done due to increased opportunity. Especially with Girard.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Ped

Ok but he doesn't make 2.5

Sorry 2.05 - Typo-

Point still stands - Washignton's 7th D is making 2 million and their 5th and 6th D are making 3 and 2.7 million.

That's 7.7 million for your 5-6-7 D

AND these are their three lowest paid D!

Thats crazy

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

He was the worst player on the Flames in year 1.

Huberdeau???