2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Goriders

WTH is Washington doing?

I'm pretty sure that they had strong indication that neither Backstrom nor Oshie will be returning this season. Which gives them about $15M of LTIR. They're currently $13.3M over and need to bring up 2 forwards, and maybe send down 1 defenceman.

[Jason14h]

Washington is paying their 7th D 2.5 million . Haha

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Goriders

WTH is Washington doing?

Flames should take Mangiapane and a 2nd back for futures to help out Washington.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Washington is paying their 7th D 2.5 million . Haha

Who is that? Fehervary is a regular for 3 seasons now, and Bear is in the NHL assistance program, and his cap hit is just over 2.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Ped

Who is that? Fehervary is a regular for 3 seasons now, and Bear is in the NHL assistance program, and his cap hit is just over 2.

If you are in the player assistance program, your contract still counts for the salary cap.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by butterfly

If you are in the player assistance program, your contract still counts for the salary cap.

Ok but he doesn't make 2.5

[Macho0978]

Kadri and Rasmus 50% Retained

for

Colton, Girard and Colorado's 1st in 25

We get 2 guys that contracts expire in 3 years

Colorado gets better now.

Maybe we can get more out of them, but I'd like to see a long-term risky contract moved in Conroy's next big move.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Kadri and Rasmus 50% Retained

for

Colton, Girard and Colorado's 1st in 25

We get 2 guys that contracts expire in 3 years

Colorado gets better now.

Maybe we can get more out of them, but I'd like to see a long-term risky contract moved in Conroy's next big move.

I would prefer Conroy continue to try to get good returns on his assets.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Kadri and Rasmus 50% Retained

for

Colton, Girard and Colorado's 1st in 25

We get 2 guys that contracts expire in 3 years

Colorado gets better now.

Maybe we can get more out of them, but I'd like to see a long-term risky contract moved in Conroy's next big move.

Dont think they have a first in 2025

[Niemo]

That’s not enough even without retention.

I’d try to pry Mcgoarty from Winnipeg with Rasmus or Kasper from Detroit. Kadri alone with no retention (but pick up a contract from Colorado) for their 1st.

Coleman should have a lot of takers. Even Seattle to pair him with Gourde as they want to turn the corner.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I would prefer Conroy continue to try to get good returns on his assets.

Almost every team in the league has cap issues if they take Kadri. He also has a NMC, and I bet only waives to a few teams. His value is not high, if Conroy does not move him this year, we risk being stuck.

He will add to a team, but we need to be realistic on what the return will be straight up. 2nd maybe, unless he waives to a team that is unexpected.

Colton and Girard can be moved in a year for picks too. It's not like we would be stuck with players that aren't assets as well.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Niemo

That’s not enough even without retention.

I’d try to pry Mcgoarty from Winnipeg with Rasmus or Kasper from Detroit. Kadri alone with no retention (but pick up a contract from Colorado) for their 1st.

Coleman should have a lot of takers. Even Seattle to pair him with Gourde as they want to turn the corner.

Berniers and Tolvanen new contracts...there goes Seattle's cap space.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Kadri and Rasmus 50% Retained

for

Colton, Girard and Colorado's 1st in 25

We get 2 guys that contracts expire in 3 years

Colorado gets better now.

Maybe we can get more out of them, but I'd like to see a long-term risky contract moved in Conroy's next big move.

Just get better assets for Andersson.

Kadri for Girard is a good base for a contract swap. Andersson @ 50% for Colton and a late 1st is pretty brutal for the Flames.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Almost every team in the league has cap issues if they take Kadri. He also has a NMC, and I bet only waives to a few teams. His value is not high, if Conroy does not move him this year, we risk being stuck.

He will add to a team, but we need to be realistic on what the return will be straight up. 2nd maybe, unless he waives to a team that is unexpected.

Colton and Girard can be moved in a year for picks too. It's not like we would be stuck with players that aren't assets as well.

And what's the downside of being "stuck"?

He has 5 years left at $7M with a rising cap for a team that has absolutely no cap concerns for at least the next 3-5 seasons...this team is unlikely to be a contender in that window, likely has no real large contracts to re-sign in that time, and he's still a good veteran leader for the young guys.

You only move Kadri if you're getting a good return, it's useless to move him as a "salary dump" to get a 2nd back.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

And what's the downside of being "stuck"?

He has 5 years left at $7M with a rising cap for a team that has absolutely no cap concerns for at least the next 3-5 seasons...this team is unlikely to be a contender in that window, likely has no real large contracts to re-sign in that time, and he's still a good veteran leader for the young guys.

You only move Kadri if you're getting a good return, it's useless to move him as a "salary dump" to get a 2nd back.

Risk for me is if we do this well, we will have guys to sign.

Kadri puts up 50 points this year, calls will stop with his contract. This team is going to suck, he might play through it but if he doesn't we could be stuck.

If Conroy can get the return people suggest, great but I doubt it

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Risk for me is if we do this well, we will have guys to sign.

Kadri puts up 50 points this year, calls will stop with his contract. This team is going to suck, he might play through it but if he doesn't we could be stuck.

If Conroy can get the return people suggest, great but I doubt it

If Kadri gets only 50 points this year because of inferior line mates, teams can figure that out, as long as he's playing good hockey.

Kadri and Andersson are both good hockey players, they don't need to be moved in case we get stuck with them.

I'd rather take that risk (and there is some risk with respect to Kadri, but I don't think its great) than move them out without a proper return.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Risk for me is if we do this well, we will have guys to sign.

Kadri puts up 50 points this year, calls will stop with his contract. This team is going to suck, he might play through it but if he doesn't we could be stuck.

If Conroy can get the return people suggest, great but I doubt it

Your talking about pitching the only Center we have signed past the end of next year?

Im all about trading assets for picks but unless someone blows you away your talking about a last place finish team for years. Kadri provides leadership in our most valued position. He is playing at pretty much top line level in his mid thirties i dont suddenly expect huge drop off but it could happen i guess.

In short i see him as the least problematic of our problems. Now if the option to trade hubes comes up look at it but short if a strange twist no one sees coming both players are here to stay. Even with these guys were barely at cap floor.

Trade Anderson when the right deal comes. Kuzmenko as well, i dont see him long term with our glut of wingers. Give Backs the opportunity to chase a cup if he desires.

Above all keep the guys who WANT to be flams.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Risk for me is if we do this well, we will have guys to sign.

Kadri puts up 50 points this year, calls will stop with his contract. This team is going to suck, he might play through it but if he doesn't we could be stuck.

If Conroy can get the return people suggest, great but I doubt it

Andersson at 50% should easily get the Hronek/Lindholm/Chychrun return.

Adding him to Kadri to get a late 1st and two cap dumps is brutal asset management.
Kadri for Girard + a 2nd is understandable but the Flames would need to find some other salary first.

[Macho0978]

I love how Colton and Girard are being viewed as nothing in this discussion, it's not like we are getting Lucic back. Both are good players

[Bingo Jr.]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I love how Colton and Girard are being viewed as nothing in this discussion, it's not like we are getting Lucic back. Both are good players

For sure, and they'd fetch good returns at the deadline.

But as two of the centerpieces for a deal with Naz and Ras PLUS retention?

I'll pass.