[Rumour] Teams calling Flames with interest in Kadri

[Toonage]

So weird that this came out of nowhere last night with Craig Button and now we're hearing it gain some momentum. If not Toronto, who would he waive for?

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Toonage

So weird that this came out of nowhere last night with Craig Button and now we're hearing it gain some momentum. If not Toronto, who would he waive for?

Colorado maybe?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

With only 3 retention slots, I don't love the idea of using one for next 5 seasons unless there is a hell of a return. IMO you would need to get a meaningful asset for each year of retention.

The team looks to be plenty bad enough already. And while you might wish he was gone 4 years from now when you're competitive again, it seems early to be worried about that.

$1-$2M in retention is likely a giant "meh" over the span of the next 5 years. If we're talking full-load (50%) then yeah, it gets a bit more serious as $3.5M isn't super light...but in years 3-5 of the Kadri deal, that $3.5M would effectively be....3.5% of the salary cap in those years. So, not much.

[rollie619]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

The camp who basically want everyone traded, are you going to still buy tickets this coming season knowing how bad the team is going to be if we trade everyone with any value? Flames could conceivabley as bad as San Jose last season.

As someone who has season tickets I'm fully willing to support a rebuild if it means an end to two decades of mediocrity.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

$1-$2M in retention is likely a giant "meh" over the span of the next 5 years. If we're talking full-load (50%) then yeah, it gets a bit more serious as $3.5M isn't super light...but in years 3-5 of the Kadri deal, that $3.5M would effectively be....3.5% of the salary cap in those years. So, not much.

The issue isn't just the dollar figure. Its also tying up one of only three retentions spots for the next five years

It could affect trades at TDL during that span

[Paulie Walnuts]

Detroit has a large Lebanese population. That team would make sense for him as well and his family.

Kadri for a 1st 3rd and Wallinder?

[Bingo Jr.]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Detroit has a large Lebanese population. That team would make sense for him as well and his family.

Kadri for a 1st 3rd and Wallinder?

Start the car.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

The issue isn't just the dollar figure. Its also tying up one of only three retentions spots for the next five years

It could affect trades at TDL during that span

That's a heck of a 'what if' situation.

The Flames don't have that many more players they'd retain on to trade at this stage.

Weegar -> doubt they'd need to, or would want to.
Huberdeau -> even with retention, I don't think this contract moves
Coleman -> perhaps?
Andersson -> at $4.55...maybe?

They've got Marky eating a slot for 2 years.
Kadri eating one for 5 years?

Still one there to use on expiring deals or on a massive package.

[Vinny01]

Kadri+Andersson+28th for Marner+23rd

Flip Marner 50% retained to a team for futures.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

That's a heck of a 'what if' situation.

The Flames don't have that many more players they'd retain on to trade at this stage.

Weegar -> doubt they'd need to, or would want to.
Huberdeau -> even with retention, I don't think this contract moves
Coleman -> perhaps?
Andersson -> at $4.55...maybe?

They've got Marky eating a slot for 2 years.
Kadri eating one for 5 years?

Still one there to use on expiring deals or on a massive package.

I might be wrong but that's not how retention slots work I think.

It resets every year. You get 3 per year and they don't carry over.

[iggy_oi]

How does is work if a team is retaining salary and the contract gets bought out later?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I might be wrong but that's not how retention slots work I think.

It resets every year. You get 3 per year and they don't carry over.

I don't think so.

I think you get 3 active retention slots, period.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don't think so.

I think you get 3 active retention slots, period.

Yeah, three a year would be crazy.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

How does is work if a team is retaining salary and the contract gets bought out later?

The retaining team pays the same percentage of the buyout amount for the same length of time the buyout lasts

So if they retain 30% on Kadri for five years and he gets bought out at the end of year 3, they retain 30% of the buyout for four years after that (turning 5 years of retention into 7, but at a reduced amount).

[Vinny01]

Who needs to add in this deal and what?

To Ottawa: Kadri
To Calgary: Norris

Norris is young but had horrible injuries and his contract is questionable because of that.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I might be wrong but that's not how retention slots work I think.

It resets every year. You get 3 per year and they don't carry over.

Definitely not. You retain, it's for the life of the contract.

[dino7c]

You don't trade Kadri now unless its a home run

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The retaining team pays the same percentage of the buyout amount for the same length of time the buyout lasts

So if they retain 30% on Kadri for five years and he gets bought out at the end of year 3, they retain 30% of the buyout for four years after that (turning 5 years of retention into 7, but at a reduced amount).

Yikes! It's definitely a reason for not retaining on Kadri's contract. A retention slot has value, especially if a team agrees to one for multiple years.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

The camp who basically want everyone traded, are you going to still buy tickets this coming season knowing how bad the team is going to be if we trade everyone with any value? Flames could conceivabley as bad as San Jose last season.

I don't live in Calgary but I'd get season tickets if they go that direction with strong conviction.
I will buy a new jersey and keep supporting them however I can from BC.
I will then buy myself and my son matching McKenna jerseys in 2026.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Who needs to add in this deal and what?

To Ottawa: Kadri
To Calgary: Norris

Norris is young but had horrible injuries and his contract is questionable because of that.

That's an interesting proposal