American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Fuzz]

I think the only play here for the Dems is to go nuclear. Get Taylor Swift in there. People seem to like her.

[Raekwon]

Serious question, at this point if they were to replace Biden with another candidate would you feel safe with that candidate being female? Not because they aren't the best choice or most qualified but because of male voters reluctance to vote for a female candidate? Or would that push more people to vote? I'm all for a first female president but if there was any chance it would hurt the democrats campaign now is not the time to gamble. All I kept thinking last night was how is it possible that Trump might win after everything.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I think the only play here for the Dems is to go nuclear. Get Taylor Swift in there. People seem to like her.

Travis Kelce as VP?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

Travis Kelce as VP?

No idea who that is. No, Tom Hanks. A Swift/Hanks ticket would be just the, err, ticket.

[undercoverbrother]

Jesus Christ

340 or so million people and those two are the best candidates.......

What a clusterfukc

[ResAlien]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1806675665845903645

This is fine dot gif

[GirlySports]

Who do you replace Biden with? Harris?
And if not Harris then black people will feel betrayed.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I feel like he's positioning for 2028 to be the nomination.

He should probably get his now while there are still those... what do you call them... elections.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Who do you replace Biden with? Harris?
And if not Harris then black people will feel betrayed.

Well, pretty sure (if I recall correctly) the black vote in South Carolina and the black votes from southern states on Super Tuesday helped get Biden nominated in 2020.

Do you think they'd be dismayed if Harris wasn't his replacement considering a significant number of them voted for an older, Caucasian man originally?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Well, pretty sure (if I recall correctly) the black vote in South Carolina and the black votes from southern states on Super Tuesday helped get Biden nominated in 2020.

Do you think they'd be dismayed if Harris wasn't his replacement considering a significant number of them voted for an older, Caucasian man originally?

Were there other choices?

It's like if all of the restaurants in your city burned down except for one and you're like "Wow! Amazing that everyone chose to eat here tonight. Look at the turnout!"

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

The Dems have no one to blame but themselves. They kyboshed their own campaign. At this point, they most likely will need to take their lumps and hope for a comeback in 4 years. Or Biden sudden dies or becomes so incoherent, they are forced to to replace him. Which could realistically happen. Guy looks like he can keel over at any time.

I seriously had doubts he was going to make it through the debate.
Newsome is not a good answer to anyone west of California, probably.
If the rest of the country loves Michelle Obama as much as I do this would be a landslide, but we know that isn't happening either.
I'm not saying this is the end of the union as we know it, yet. But it's getting closer

[Ozy_Flame]

Yes there were other choices at that point in the nomination:

Tom Steyer
Pete Buttegieg
Amy Klobuchar
Michael Bloomberg
Elizabeth Warren
Tulsi Gabbard
Bernie Sanders

Your analogy also doesn't hold water when there were 7 candidates to pick from. Unless you are suggesting they voted for Biden because they somehow knew Kamala Harris was his running mate, even though that wasn't announced for six months afterwards.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Well, pretty sure (if I recall correctly) the black vote in South Carolina and the black votes from southern states on Super Tuesday helped get Biden nominated in 2020.

Do you think they'd be dismayed if Harris wasn't his replacement considering a significant number of them voted for an older, Caucasian man originally?

That is correct, and it was a fairly organized movement to throw their support behind Biden. I remember some of the organizers saying things along the line that only an older white man can beat Trump in this country.

I do think that replacing Harris with a white woman would not be well received. Especially since they'd need to cast Harris out of the VP role as I can't see anyone thinking an all female ticket is a good strategy.

With all the Democrat voices throwing Biden under the bus last night, I don't see how he can possibly continue.

[chedder]

I wonder why Beto O'Rourke didn't gain more traction in the the democratic party. He seemed like a solid guy.

[DownInFlames]

Forget the debate, this is what I'm upset about. The Chevron Doctrine is what allowed government agencies to get things done.

Supreme Court Overrules Chevron Doctrine, Imperiling an Array of Federal Rules

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/28/u...-android-share

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

With all the Democrat voices throwing Biden under the bus last night, I don't see how he can possibly continue.

I actually think a removal of Biden shows a self-awareness and level of care for the country that might actually help tilt votes in their favor. It's not like it changes MAGA much, but it will throw Trump off his game if he can't complain about "Sleepy Joe". And if they replaced him with someone younger, more cognizant and more responsive, that would go a long way. Doesn't need to be a Buttegieg or Newsom either, just someone younger and fresher that can continue Biden's vision.

At the end of the day Biden's presidency is run by a full team of strategists and advisors and he's more or less the figurehead, but that figurehead gets people's attention.

[powderjunkie]

How about Cory Booker?

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Yes there were other choices at that point in the nomination:

Tom Steyer
Pete Buttegieg
Amy Klobuchar
Michael Bloomberg
Elizabeth Warren
Tulsi Gabbard
Bernie Sanders

Your analogy also doesn't hold water when there were 7 candidates to pick from. Unless you are suggesting they voted for Biden because they somehow knew Kamala Harris was his running mate, even though that wasn't announced for six months afterwards.

For all intense porpoises, Tulsi is a conservative at this point

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I actually think a removal of Biden shows a self-awareness and level of care for the country that might actually help tilt votes in their favor. It's not like it changes MAGA much, but it will throw Trump off his game if he can't complain about "Sleepy Joe". And if they replaced him with someone younger, more cognizant and more responsive, that would go a long way. Doesn't need to be a Buttegieg or Newsom either, just someone younger and fresher that can continue Biden's vision.

At the end of the day Biden's presidency is run by a full team of strategists and advisors and he's more or less the figurehead, but that figurehead gets people's attention.

Yeah, as long as he actually steps down. If he continues, there is no path to victory now.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Yeah, as long as he actually steps down. If he continues, there is no path to victory now.

I don't quite believe that, but I can appreciate the sentiment. There's many things that will be said and done before the actual election.