2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Bingo Jr.]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Are these not the brothers who got into fights with cops during the pandemic?

Yeah his older brother got into it with cops at an outdoor rink when they asked him politely to go home. It's crazy how being outside playing hockey was frowned upon. Different times.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Rasmus + 28
for
Skinner + 11 + Ostlund

Sounds like Skinner may be bought out, so I don’t think this is likely to happen.

That said, and believe Warrener mentioned this on BB, sounds like the Sabres are interested in Mangiapanne.

What do the Flames need to add to get 11?

[Bingo Jr.]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Sounds like Skinner may be bought out, so I don’t think this is likely to happen.

That said, and believe Warrener mentioned this on BB, sounds like the Sabres are interested in Mangiapanne.

What do the Flames need to add to get 11?

I feel like Mang for 11 and Skinner could be a good framework for a deal.

Save them $9M over 3 years and a winger they know has chemistry with Cozens.

We'd maybe have to add or retain a bit but I'd do something similar yesterday.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

I feel like Mang for 11 and Skinner could be a good framework for a deal.

Save them $9M over 3 years and a winger they know has chemistry with Cozens.

We'd maybe have to add or retain a bit but I'd do something similar yesterday.

That’s one way the Flames could weaponize cap space. Let’s say the Sabres retain $2-3M. Play Skinner with Huberdeau. Pump and dump. Flames retain once more on Skinner and move him for more assets.

That’s said, I would want to also move Kuzmenko to keep spots open for young players.

Seems like a lot of moving parts, and seeing as the Flames already have one retained spot occupied by Markstrom. I suspect they want to leave the other two open for pending UFA’s this year and next.

[dissentowner]

I think moving Kuzmenko would be a huge mistake. I still believe he is going to become a star player. Actually, I think it would be a huge mistake not to extend him if you can do it without giving him a full NMC. That way if he does turn into what I think he will be will have term and you can get a way better return.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by TOfan

That’s one way the Flames could weaponize cap space. Let’s say the Sabres retain $2-3M. Play Skinner with Huberdeau. Pump and dump. Flames retain once more on Skinner and move him for more assets.

That’s said, I would want to also move Kuzmenko to keep spots open for young players.

Seems like a lot of moving parts, and seeing as the Flames already have one retained spot occupied by Markstrom. I suspect they want to leave the other two open for pending UFA’s this year and next.

I'd take his full salary to get the best return. Skinner has 3 years left on his deal, the return to get rid of that should be pretty high. Mangiapane makes $3.2 mil less so I don't see the need to retain on him in this deal. I would to get 11 OV though.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I'd take his full salary to get the best return. Skinner has 3 years left on his deal, the return to get rid of that should be pretty high. Mangiapane makes $3.2 mil less so I don't see the need to retain on him in this deal. I would to get 11 OV though.

Could do it that way too, Flames have the space and in 3 years, hopefully they’re on the brink of turning the corner.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think moving Kuzmenko would be a huge mistake. I still believe he is going to become a star player. Actually, I think it would be a huge mistake not to extend him if you can do it without giving him a full NMC. That way if he does turn into what I think he will be will have term and you can get a way better return.

The obvious benefit here would be to have completely fleeced the Canucks.

[Macho0978]

I'd also gamble on a lottery protected 1st in 25 from Buffalo for Skinner. Their team looks good move forward, but they are also very young. We could end up with another unprotected 1st in 26 if we went this route. Not many teams with most of the d core win games when they are all 20-25 years old. Same goes with the forward group that is probably just too young to win now.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That's horrible...like absolutely terrible,

Skinner alone should return you the 11th OV pick with his contract.

So you're trading Rasmus and 28 for Ostlund.

My bad, thought skinner was only one year... didnt realize how much term was left. OOF

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Could do it that way too, Flames have the space and in 3 years, hopefully they’re on the brink of turning the corner.

They could get something in 2 years with salary retained. If not, if the return is good now that is what we need.

Any contract with 3 years or less shouldn't hurt us. We don't have much for high price guys in the next 2 years. Only way we want out of contracts at this point is if we get a top pick in 25.

Odds are 9OV doesn't play this year either and the ELC slides a year.

[boogerz]

Mangiapane for Skinner + 11th pick would be a great trade for the Flames, but why would Buffalo make that trade?

Dahlin and Power are already locked up long-term, and all of their young talent is still cost controlled for longer than Skinner's remaining term.

They're also not in cap trouble at the moment, as they have 23.5M to sign Jokiharju (still RFA) and Luukonen (still RFA), a third-line center, an entire fourth line, and a backup goalie.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I'd take his full salary to get the best return. Skinner has 3 years left on his deal, the return to get rid of that should be pretty high. Mangiapane makes $3.2 mil less so I don't see the need to retain on him in this deal. I would to get 11 OV though.

Yeah, the Flames, though, would have to see some value in Skinner since he'll be taking up a spot for three years. $27million is a lot of money to buy a draft pick, even if it's 11th overall.

I'd do it as a fan, but not so sure I'd do it as an owner unless Calgary drafts a centre/D-man at 9 and Iginla is available at 11 -- and ownership sees the broader financial (and winning) benefits of Tij.

It generally makes sense for Buffalo compared to a buyout. Cap penalty isn't bad this year, but it's $4.5 next and $6.5 in year three, which could be a serious problem when they have to pay their young guys.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by boogerz

Mangiapane for Skinner + 11th pick would be a great trade for the Flames, but why would Buffalo make that trade?

Dahlin and Power are already locked up long-term, and all of their young talent is still cost controlled for longer than Skinner's remaining term.

They're also not in cap trouble at the moment, as they have 23.5M to sign Jokiharju (still RFA) and Luukonen (still RFA), a third-line center, an entire fourth line, and a backup goalie.

They wouldn't just want to bring back the same team that finished bottom half of the league. They probably want to make a splash plus sign their guys and long term have space for they're upcoming young guys.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by boogerz

Mangiapane for Skinner + 11th pick would be a great trade for the Flames, but why would Buffalo make that trade?

Dahlin and Power are already locked up long-term, and all of their young talent is still cost controlled for longer than Skinner's remaining term.

They're also not in cap trouble at the moment, as they have 23.5M to sign Jokiharju (still RFA) and Luukonen (still RFA), a third-line center, an entire fourth line, and a backup goalie.

I think there’s appetite to move on from Skinner. There has been some rumours that the Sabres are looking at a buyout.

Being able to offload the contract entirely while replacing him with a cheaper player who has had chemistry with Couzens is probably intriguing, especially if they can negotiate an extension with Mang.

Bear in mind this is an organization, perhaps more than any other, needs to get back into the playoffs. And to your point, they would still have cap room to improve further.

11OA should almost certainly be a piece they are looking to move. That pick won’t help them for 2-3 years. Maybe more.

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1805294903716724772

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I think there’s appetite to move on from Skinner. There has been some rumours that the Sabres are looking at a buyout.

Being able to offload the contract entirely while replacing him with a cheaper player who has had chemistry with Couzens is probably intriguing, especially if they can negotiate an extension with Mang.

Bear in mind this is an organization, perhaps more than any other, needs to get back into the playoffs. And to your point, they would still have cap room to improve further.

11OA should almost certainly be a piece they are looking to move. That pick won’t help them for 2-3 years. Maybe more.

Is it giving up the 11th overall pick intriguing, though? Skinner's expensive, but it's not like he's useless. One year removed from an 80-point season. He almost certainly won't return to those heights, but a return to the 60-point level isn't out of the question.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1805294903716724772

That's a good fit. Friedman also mentioned that NJ was looking for a D, likely someone like Pesce, a couple of days ago on 32 thoughts.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon

Is it giving up the 11th overall pick intriguing, though? Skinner's expensive, but it's not like he's useless. One year removed from an 80-point season. He almost certainly won't return to those heights, but a return to the 60-point level isn't out of the question.

Well, it sounds like Skinner may get bought out. The cap and real money savings has to be enticing. Especially if the Flames are willing to take him at full freight.

I guess the real question is, will the Sabres have a better option?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

Yeah, the Flames, though, would have to see some value in Skinner since he'll be taking up a spot for three years. $27million is a lot of money to buy a draft pick, even if it's 11th overall.

I'd do it as a fan, but not so sure I'd do it as an owner unless Calgary drafts a centre/D-man at 9 and Iginla is available at 11 -- and ownership sees the broader financial (and winning) benefits of Tij.

It generally makes sense for Buffalo compared to a buyout. Cap penalty isn't bad this year, but it's $4.5 next and $6.5 in year three, which could be a serious problem when they have to pay their young guys.

Flames ownership might not do it, but from the perspective of using cap space as an asset, trading for Skinner makes sense. I would not be surprised if the owners approve spending the cap every year, even in a rebuild. So, it might not matter what he makes.

Also, we can't get too greedy with the ask. Buffalo really only has 2 young guy next summer that could get paid in Quinn and Peterka. They have more than enough cap to re-sign their guys this year and next. Giving up 11OV for Mangiapane and adding Skinner makes them no better as Skinner is just as good if not better. Do they really want to re-sign Mangiapane? He will want to get paid and will probably get a contract that pays him til he is 36.

Buffalo is set up they can wait 1-2 years to dump Skinner and just keep the controllable assets. Mangiapane has little value to them unless they re-sign him.