2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

I don't understand why some include Sharangovich in their proposals so nonchalant. That is a guy we want to keep big time IMO. Wasn't it already explained that his locker room clean out comments were more of a language issue than anything? Keep that dude.

I think we should keep him too. I think he has star potential but probably can be signed this summer for less than the going rate for a star player. Might be way less. I would sign him this summer, July 1...but if contract talks don't go well and he wants to play this year and bet on himself and hope to get more than we offer this summer, then you might have to deal him.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

I don't understand why some include Sharangovich in their proposals so nonchalant. That is a guy we want to keep big time IMO. Wasn't it already explained that his locker room clean out comments were more of a language issue than anything? Keep that dude.

Depends if he wants to be here or not. If he has another solid season then he will get paid in UFA and be able to pick his spot.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I think we should keep him too. I think he has star potential but probably can be signed this summer for less than the going rate for a star player. Might be way less. I would sign him this summer, July 1...but if contract talks don't go well and he wants to play this year and bet on himself and hope to get more than we offer this summer, then you might have to deal him.

I think the first two months of the season will tell a lot. If the teams a dumpster fire conroy may get several asks to be moved.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Icon

Anton Lundell - maybe, if Florida decides to keep all of their free agents they'll need to make space, he could be the odd one out.

Shane Wright - Doubtful, was just named an "AHL Top Prospect". I'd expect Seattle's excited to get him to camp this year.

Trevor Zegras - Most likely of the list I think. But I don't want him. Reads as a me-first one dimensional scorer. Maybe he'd put some butts in seats through the rebuild/retool though?

Dylan Cozens - Doubtful Buffalo moves him.

Kent Johnson - Maybe? Tough to gauge his trajectory right now after a rough season.

Cole Sillinger - I think he's who Columbus would rather keep over Johsnon.

Danila Yurov - he's playing in the KHL next season so probably a non-starter.

Connor Geekie - Might be an option as he's behind a couple guys on their depth chart now.

Nate Danielson - Really doubt the Wings move on from him before he even gets his feet wet in the NHL

Marco Kasper - Maybe. But similar to Danielson I think they'll want to see what they have in him vs. NHLers first.

You can offer sheet either Lundell or Sillinger and eliminate the need to negotiate and just put the decision to either franchise on whether they want to pay 4.5 million for one year or lose a guy for a 2nd round pick. If you wanted to go down that route.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

You can offer sheet either Lundell or Sillinger and eliminate the need to negotiate and just put the decision to either franchise on whether they want to pay 4.5 million for one year or lose a guy for a 2nd round pick. If you wanted to go down that route.

I love the concept of offer sheets. But they don't really happen enough to see it as a potential path Conroy takes.

Would be fun though

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

You can offer sheet either Lundell or Sillinger and eliminate the need to negotiate and just put the decision to either franchise on whether they want to pay 4.5 million for one year or lose a guy for a 2nd round pick. If you wanted to go down that route.

You really want offer sheets to happen haha. I don't think they are used that much because anything reasonable will be matched and if it isn't matched you end up with a player like Kotkaniemi. There is also the whole pissing off another GM thing which must play into it. I wouldn't mind if they were used more though, would be interesting.

[stemit14]

I think it’s becoming very rare to return a first round pick for wingers in the NHL. Even this year, Guentzal was by far the highest-valued winger on the trade market and the 1st round pick he returned was conditional on Carolina making the cup final. I know there were other pieces in the trade… it’s just an example of how rare it is to get a first round pick for a winger these days. So even if Sharangovich and/or Mangiapane are on pace to score 30+ goals next season, I think it will be tough for either of them to return a first round pick. I would like to be pleasantly surprised by that though.

[sureLoss]

Teams waiting for Laine to be cleared so they can talk to him:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1803806370291961937

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Bonded

You really want offer sheets to happen haha. I don't think they are used that much because anything reasonable will be matched and if it isn't matched you end up with a player like Kotkaniemi. There is also the whole pissing off another GM thing which must play into it. I wouldn't mind if they were used more though, would be interesting.

If you look at the whole Kotkaniemi/Aho offer sheet scenario, Montreal really took Carolina to school. Aho signing 5 years hurt them big time and the retaliation hurt Carolina even more. Montreal was very smart to walk away from that.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Icon

I love the concept of offer sheets. But they don't really happen enough to see it as a potential path Conroy takes.

Would be fun though

At some point in time I think some small market team is going to realize the following realities

1) they cannot compete for UFA’s without overpaying. Certain teams have an inherent advantage in terms of attracting UFAs (location, taxes, warm weather, whatever). Those teams that are disadvantaged will become far less active on the UFA front because the realize it makes no sense to offer 120 cents on the dollar to get a UFA to come to their team
2) when those teams sign their boatloads of UFA’s it puts them in a tighter spot on the cap for their younger players
3) you can sign their RFA’s for what appear to be expensive contracts betting that a 23 year old has more room to improve than a 30 year old. Your cost to sign those players is relatively minimal.

Not sure when or what small market team recognizes these advantages but one eventually will.

[WickerChicken]

I agree, see no reason why we would trade Mang now. His value is likely low. He should be motivated to have a good season in his free agent year. If he wants to get traded, put the onus on him to increase his value.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bonded

You really want offer sheets to happen haha. I don't think they are used that much because anything reasonable will be matched and if it isn't matched you end up with a player like Kotkaniemi. There is also the whole pissing off another GM thing which must play into it. I wouldn't mind if they were used more though, would be interesting.

I would personally go for the players below the Aho and Kotkaniemi levels myself (compensation being either a 3rd or a 2nd). I think the GM blowback is way overblown and one people don’t know for sure because it has never really been used aggressively. But if the Flames had their 3rd round pick in 2025 (which they do not for sure because of the crazy conditions on the Monahan trade) and there was not the weird incentive for Florida to be good (because of the crazy Monahan trade) I would do the following offer sheets

Broberg - 1 yr, 2.28 million dollars. Oilers have 10 million for 9 players, unclear on whether they want to spend 2.29 million on Broberg. Cost to the Flames - 2025 3rd round pick

Lundell - 1 year 4.57 million dollars. Florida has 20 million for 9 players. Not clear they want to spend 4.57 million on Lundell. Cost to the Flames 2025 2nd round pick.

If I was a small market team with cap space I would trade a 3rd and a 2nd for Lundell and Broberg. It is not like they will sign with me as UFA’s.

Every year there are RFA’s like that. Worst case scenario is some team returns fire but if you are not overly active in the UFA market it could be an advantage if some team gets pissed off and signs a future Tkachuk to a 7 year contract, you just match and you have your young stud signed through the best years of their career. You might not be invited to scotch and cigars at the GM meeting but you will have a better team longterm as a small market.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

If you look at the whole Kotkaniemi/Aho offer sheet scenario, Montreal really took Carolina to school. Aho signing 5 years hurt them big time and the retaliation hurt Carolina even more. Montreal was very smart to walk away from that.

Yup, the owner got involved and really compounded the issue

[Yeah_Baby]

If the Flames do sign DeBrusk, does that mean we get Louie and Not Kelly for color as a throw in?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I would personally go for the players below the Aho and Kotkaniemi levels myself (compensation being either a 3rd or a 2nd). I think the GM blowback is way overblown and one people don’t know for sure because it has never really been used aggressively. But if the Flames had their 3rd round pick in 2025 (which they do not for sure because of the crazy conditions on the Monahan trade) and there was not the weird incentive for Florida to be good (because of the crazy Monahan trade) I would do the following offer sheets

Broberg - 1 yr, 2.28 million dollars. Oilers have 10 million for 9 players, unclear on whether they want to spend 2.29 million on Broberg. Cost to the Flames - 2025 3rd round pick

Lundell - 1 year 4.57 million dollars. Florida has 20 million for 9 players. Not clear they want to spend 4.57 million on Lundell. Cost to the Flames 2025 2nd round pick.

If I was a small market team with cap space I would trade a 3rd and a 2nd for Lundell and Broberg. It is not like they will sign with me as UFA’s.

Every year there are RFA’s like that. Worst case scenario is some team returns fire but if you are not overly active in the UFA market it could be an advantage if some team gets pissed off and signs a future Tkachuk to a 7 year contract, you just match and you have your young stud signed through the best years of their career. You might not be invited to scotch and cigars at the GM meeting but you will have a better team longterm as a small market.

100% should be the strategy and GM blow back is some cased is not a big deal. Turnover at the GM position is high so why worry about it.

I really like both these examples. Lundell one more but would love to screw over the Oilers too.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I would personally go for the players below the Aho and Kotkaniemi levels myself (compensation being either a 3rd or a 2nd). I think the GM blowback is way overblown and one people don’t know for sure because it has never really been used aggressively.

We know Burke wanted to fight Lowe and Carolina's owner kind of lost his mind over it. I am guessing teams are too worried about retribution to regularly use them. Pretty much every offer sheet will be matched unless it is a gross overpay.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

100% should be the strategy and GM blow back is some cased is not a big deal. Turnover at the GM position is high so why worry about it.

I think the whole org remembers not just the GM that was sitting the seat

[MacDaddy77]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Lol. wut...?

Wut, Wut??? You wouldn't trade an end of the first round pick + 27year old dman for a cost controlled 20 year old 6'3" #1 center?

I make that trade any day. I like Anderson but you would have to pay to get Geekie.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bonded

We know Burke wanted to fight Lowe and Carolina's owner kind of lost his mind over it. I am guessing teams are too worried about retribution to regularly use them. Pretty much every offer sheet will be matched unless it is a gross overpay.

I totally disagree that every offer sheet will be matched. If the Flames had their third they could sequentially offer Broberg and the Holloway 2.28 million on one year deals and get one of those two players for the cost of a 3rd round pick. You could probably offer Alex Turcotte 1.5 million on a one way contract and get him for free.

The top guys (Lucas Raymond) will be matched and it makes no sense because to get him at a level that won’t be matched you would have to offer a salary that results in a 1st, 2nd and 3rd going the other way. But the young players for whom compensation is a 2nd or a 3rd or even no compensation you can probably actually get.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I totally disagree that every offer sheet will be matched. If the Flames had their third they could sequentially offer Broberg and the Holloway 2.28 million on one year deals and get one of those two players for the cost of a 3rd round pick. You could probably offer Alex Turcotte 1.5 million on a one way contract and get him for free.

The top guys (Lucas Raymond) will be matched and it makes no sense because to get him at a level that won’t be matched you would have to offer a salary that results in a 1st, 2nd and 3rd going the other way. But the young players for whom compensation is a 2nd or a 3rd or even no compensation you can probably actually get.

I think the Oilers would match both and then figure out the cap if they wanted to keep them. I wouldn’t bother with getting either personally but that’s just me. Lundell is interesting but I think Panthers would match pretty anything that maxed at a second round pick compensation.